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Campaign to Buy Browsing Histories of Politicians Who Passed Anti-Privacy Law

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Re: Campaign to Buy Browsing Histories of Politicians Who Passed Anti-Privacy Law

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Something I read long ago (and can't find) was that privacy is a relatively recent part of humanity. In the past, we lived in small groups where everyone knew each other very well. Now we live in big groups, which provide pseudo-nymity. One of the things I keep coming back to in my head is a way to democratize the information collected about us. Right now, certain "people" (including companies and government organiza…

Free sharing of information has 2 hurdles:

- information asymmetry: to make things democratic & symmetric, you would have to open up information about those in enforcement. Historically there is a strong resistance to that (though transparency would be welcomed). Even if it were to work at a domestic level, the defense sector still primarily relies on security through obscurity. "National interest" then becomes a convenient way to hide things.

- processing asymmetry: those who have the compute and skill to better access and correlate information will have a big advantage. Compare your ability to (hypothetically) download what you want about anyone, with an organization that houses all the data themselves and deployed Splunk/Watson/Palantir/whatever to massage that data exactly how they want.

Re: Campaign to Buy Browsing Histories of Politicians Who Passed Anti-Privacy Law

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Except the data is cleaned of personal information, correct? The top comments on the reddit thread of this issue are all about how this is impossible.

It is easier to deanonimize data than one would imagine (the work on the Netflix prize dataset comes to mind: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/4531148/)

Re: Campaign to Buy Browsing Histories of Politicians Who Passed Anti-Privacy Law

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Someone explain why I should fear ISPs more than Google? I can at use Sonic.net for privacy. I can't realistically opt out of Google. The lines seem arbitrary.

My worry is something like Verizon's "super-cookies"[1]. You can block requests to known tracking websites relatively effectively, but if tracking can be added outside your network there is no possible way to fight it.

[1]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/verizon-x-uidh

Re: Campaign to Buy Browsing Histories of Politicians Who Passed Anti-Privacy Law

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I think that the only way to really drive home the importance of digital privacy rights is to craft a bit of targeted advertising that _only_ your senator or representative sees and that follows them _everywhere_ online.

Why would you only want the politicians to see it? Are they somehow unable to install adblockers or have aides take care of that for them? Don't be so naive.

Politicians do not care about such nonsense, because they don't have to deal with it, because they have power. What politicians care about is their credibility, and if the public can't see what's going on then it has no impact on their credibility.

You seem to think that what we need to do is help politicians understand the significance of what they're doing, and that once they see it our way they'll do The Right Thing. But this is to assume that the politicians and the constituencies that elected them share your basic values about fairness, privacy, and so on. In many cases, they don't.

Re: Campaign to Buy Browsing Histories of Politicians Who Passed Anti-Privacy Law

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Someone explain why I should fear ISPs more than Google? I can at use Sonic.net for privacy. I can't realistically opt out of Google. The lines seem arbitrary.

You can choose not to use Google (and use DuckDuckGo or Startpage instead). However in most places in the U.S., you don't get many choices for ISP. There is no meaningful competition.

The ISP you mentioned, Sonic.net, is only available in a few select locations.

Re: Campaign to Buy Browsing Histories of Politicians Who Passed Anti-Privacy Law

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Someone explain why I should fear ISPs more than Google? I can at use Sonic.net for privacy. I can't realistically opt out of Google. The lines seem arbitrary.

what.. this doesn't make any sense and I don't know what Google has anything to do with this. Why can't you opt out of google ?

1. ISP monitor all your internet traffic. Google can only have access to what google services you opt in to use.

2. At this time we don't know how the ISP's will sell your internet history whether it be individual or in aggregate, but google doesn't sell your information.

3. I trust google's security more than ISPs

Re: Campaign to Buy Browsing Histories of Politicians Who Passed Anti-Privacy Law

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I think this is a little premature until we know what exactly can be purchased and when. As of right now throwing money at this person seems like just giving him free money. Who is this person and is he trustworthy... what's he going to do with the money if he can't buy it ? Does he even know how to buy the data ?
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