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Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#11

Post by EvilTrout »

As a long time (5 years full time) Ember developer, this is quite interesting to me philosophically.

I've spent a lot of time trying to tell people that all the stuff in Ember is there for a reason; for example, you're going to need a router, you're going to need support for controllers, etc. I still feel strongly that if your app is large and serious you are going to need that stuff.

But.

A lot of people just want to jump in and start building. React's immense popularity has shown the value in creating a view layer framework without all the extra stuff. It's great for onboarding new developers since there is less surface area to familiarize yourself with, and you can add in extra stuff (work your way towards full Ember) as you go.

It also comes with the added benefit of being able to add small components to a page without running the whole thing as an application, which is a use case Ember was not so great at before.

Overall I think it's a great announcement.

Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#14

Post by k__ »

EvilTrout wrote: post #11

As a long time (5 years full time) Ember developer, this is quite interesting to me philosophically. I've spent a lot of time trying to tell people that all the stuff in Ember is there for a reason; for example, you're going to need a router, you're going to need support for controllers, etc. I still feel strongly that if your app is large and serious you are going to need that stuff. But. A lot of people just want t…

I used Ember for about 2 years and thought so too.

Now I'm using React and I think it's approach is much better.

The API is tiny compared to Ember and there aren't much concepts, still it accomplishes everything Ember did.

I feel bad to say this, but in the modular, library heavy, NPM based JS world of today, React (and other component frameworks like Cyclejs or hyperapp) fits just in. While Ember feels like a anachronism of the big framework days of Rails. :/

Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#15

Post by mwpmaybe »

k__ wrote: post #14
EvilTrout wrote: post #11

As a long time (5 years full time) Ember developer, this is quite interesting to me philosophically. I've spent a lot of time trying to tell people that all the stuff in Ember is there for a reason; for example, you're going to need a router, you're going to need support for controllers, etc. I still feel strongly that if your app is large and serious you are going to need that stuff. But. A lot of people just want t…

I used Ember for about 2 years and thought so too. Now I'm using React and I think it's approach is much better. The API is tiny compared to Ember and there aren't much concepts, still it accomplishes everything Ember did. I feel bad to say this, but in the modular, library heavy, NPM based JS world of today, React (and other component frameworks like Cyclejs or hyperapp) fits just in. While Ember feels like a anachr…

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Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#17

Post by subpixel »

This looks impressive and has been something the Ember community has been looking forward to for a long time, but I wonder whether Glimmer is a tool that will actually sway developers who are not already using Ember to start using it (read: choose Ember over React, Vue, Angular, etc.).

Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#18

Post by Touche »

lyime wrote: post #8
vorpalhex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The install parameter you provide already requires yarn and the rather large ember-cli, in addition to requiring my app to be built on top of glimmer instead of with it. How can this possibly be considered remotely lightweight, especially compared to something like Mithril? I count at least 12 repos on your github that seem to be integral components including a dedicated CLI!

Why is the size of the CLI a concern?

What I think the GP is saying, and I agree, is that the CLI makes Glimmer the center of your world and not just another library you use. MomentJS doesn't come with a CLI tool to use it. You just use it.
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