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Apple releases iOS 10.3

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Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

#11
My iPad Pro only sees beta 7. I removed the device from the beta program a month ago, but it still sees the betas.

Rebooted several times. My iPhone 7s, and two older iPhones upgraded to 10.3, as well as another iPad. Why is the iPad Pro different?

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

#12

Changing filesystem for billions of phones in a point release? That doesn't sound fun.

I've been running the beta for quite some time and didn't even notice that it had changed. Honestly, I think it's the best possible way that they can roll this out - iOS is much more restricted and has fewer devices to worry about, so is worlds easier than macOS, and internal dogfooding/the beta program gives them good coverage before hitting the whole population. Doing it in a dot release or major version doesn't seem particularly interesting one way or the other.

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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Changing filesystem for billions of phones in a point release? That doesn't sound fun.

Initially, I was thinking the same thing. Given how fast the average Apple consumer updates to major iOS releases, I imagine that rolling it out over a point release is actually part of the plan. Presumably, if something does go wrong on the individual level, the support burden on the genius bars will be lower (since major iOS releases have traditionally come alongside hardware releases), and if a major bug is found,…

Rolling it out first on iOS at all doesn't seem like the right approach.

If I were somehow in charge of it, I imagine I'd want to do it like: 1) ship it as officially supported on the Mac, but off by default. 2) a year or two later, ship it as officially supported on the Mac, on by default, but still allow HFS+ as an option. 3) A year or two after that, if all has gone well, then introduce it into iOS (where presumably it's not reasonable to make it optional).

It's really weird to me that Apple is rolling it out to hundreds of millions of devices all at once, when it's not even a bootable filesystem on any of their platforms yet. Seems like the kind of thing where you'd want to take a more gradual approach.

I get that HFS+ is super old and I see why Apple wants to switch to APFS. But I don't get why they're in such a hurry.

Here's hoping their approach works well, in any case!

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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Yeah this is kind of causing a full on panic in the office today. If Apple fucks something up, and your app don't run no more, it's your fault and it's now your problem .

You literally can't leave a review saying "This version of iOS is shitty and it breaks all my apps." But you can absolutely throw a brick through my front window.

Actually with 10.3 you can: https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/24/apple-will-let-developers-rep...

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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post #8

Changing filesystem for billions of phones in a point release? That doesn't sound fun.

Initially, I was thinking the same thing. Given how fast the average Apple consumer updates to major iOS releases, I imagine that rolling it out over a point release is actually part of the plan. Presumably, if something does go wrong on the individual level, the support burden on the genius bars will be lower (since major iOS releases have traditionally come alongside hardware releases), and if a major bug is found,…

> It stills feels wrong on a gut level, and semver folks might not be happy with it, but it seems to make some real sense.

Wouldn't this be valid semver if the APIs or general functionality hasn't changed? Or isn't expected to?

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

#16
I'm excited about exposing to app developers a way to ask for ratings. Specifically, the ability to opt out of them.

I think this doesn't address the real problem though, which is that ratings reset after every app update. This means that app developers have to constantly ask for reviews, which is exhausting as a user.

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You literally can't leave a review saying "This version of iOS is shitty and it breaks all my apps." But you can absolutely throw a brick through my front window.

Actually with 10.3 you can: https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/24/apple-will-let-developers-rep...

That deals with responding to reviews of your app, not an ability to leave a review for iOS itself. Either way, I don't think the average consumer will understand that they've lost data because of a bug in a new filesystem. And if you are an app with appreciable market share and something goes wrong, I doubt one would be able to mitigate a crush of negative reviews.

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Initially, I was thinking the same thing. Given how fast the average Apple consumer updates to major iOS releases, I imagine that rolling it out over a point release is actually part of the plan. Presumably, if something does go wrong on the individual level, the support burden on the genius bars will be lower (since major iOS releases have traditionally come alongside hardware releases), and if a major bug is found,…

Rolling it out first on iOS at all doesn't seem like the right approach. If I were somehow in charge of it, I imagine I'd want to do it like: 1) ship it as officially supported on the Mac, but off by default. 2) a year or two later, ship it as officially supported on the Mac, on by default, but still allow HFS+ as an option. 3) A year or two after that, if all has gone well, then introduce it into iOS (where presumab…

The iOS filesystem environment is WAY more controlled than OS X. Updating OS X first would be fewer machines but is the much more difficult task. This would also be one hell of a production test. They obviously think they're ready.

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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I'm excited about exposing to app developers a way to ask for ratings. Specifically, the ability to opt out of them. I think this doesn't address the real problem though, which is that ratings reset after every app update. This means that app developers have to constantly ask for reviews, which is exhausting as a user.

>ratings reset after every app update.

What's the reasoning behind this? On Android, reviews for prior versions have a "This review was left for a previous version." banner at the top of them, but the star aggregates are all still there. How do apps keep reviews if they're wiped out every time an app updates?

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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post #9

Changing filesystem for billions of phones in a point release? That doesn't sound fun.

Yeah this is kind of causing a full on panic in the office today. If Apple fucks something up, and your app don't run no more, it's your fault and it's now your problem .

That is why Apple has had 10.3 in beta, so that developers could test their apps and report breakages before anything goes public. Seems like business as usual to me.
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