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Re: Death to Lorem Ipsum – The story behind our app, Lorem Ipsum Tool

#11
I find that using more realistic content is a great help in web design and development since it's easier to understand and "feel" the final web experience. A site filled with Lorem Ipsum to me is like a portrait of a person where the pupils are missing, it's lifeless.

What I typically do is that when I work on a site about music, I'll just find some similar sites and take images and text from there that is a close match to what will eventually be used in the project. Especially for bigger projects and content-driven sites, where the client will later add the final stuff via their CMS, this works great (especially when you have otherwise only cat pictures and "this is a test" text that some dev added).

Seems like people have different experience, but I find using more realistic content a great help for everybody involved, since it simply makes the site more real and therefore it's easier to make it better.

Re: Death to Lorem Ipsum – The story behind our app, Lorem Ipsum Tool

#12
Fail.

Ever seen those psychological tests that have word "RED" printed in blue ink, the word "BLUE" in yellow ink, and so forth? The test is to say the color, not the word. Most people find it difficult and irritating, because the verbal parts of their brains hijack the process and insist on reading the words.

The point of using meaningless text is to quiet the verbal parts of your brain, so you can become conscious of the abstract visual and aesthetic elements.

The converse is also true. Design of the verbal elements has to use meaningful text, preferably in a context where the visual and aesthetic design has been toned down to not distract. Hence the popularity of monochrome wire-frame mockups for document design.

Edited.

Re: Death to Lorem Ipsum – The story behind our app, Lorem Ipsum Tool

#13
Long story short: It depends on what you're designing.

There are times when using Lorem Ipsum hurts you. There are many times when it does not.

God save us from designers and developers who suddenly realize that maybe not everything they do is ideal, and then feel the need to crusade to bring the unbearably terrible designers/developers up to nearly-palatable mediocre, instead of focusing on their own work to improve it from pretty good to excellent.

Re: Death to Lorem Ipsum – The story behind our app, Lorem Ipsum Tool

#14
post #7

Argh! Someone really doesn’t understand Lorem Ipsum. “When you are designing with Lorem Ipsum, you diminish the importance of the copy by lowering it to the same level as any other visual element. The text simply becomes another supporting role, serving to make other aspects more aesthetic. Instead of your design enhancing the meaning of the content, your content is enhancing your design.” That’s just so wrong. Line…

I would argue that neither of you truly understand the problem with Lorem Ipsum. Content should drive the design of a website. All too often web designers create a proof while also deciding roughly what content goes where. The creative process should not only begin with fonts, colors, layout, etc but also with content. You should begin your website process with general questions like "What are we trying to say?" inst…

That’s just so wrong. Line heights, line lengths, fonts, font sizes and margins are vitally import visual properties of your website. If you want to make sure that you picked the correct values for those properties and if you don’t yet have copy, you should use Lorem Ipsum. Text is certainly not just a visual element but it is also a visual element.

The important point is that lorem ipsum is not content, rather, it is a tool for approximating the aesthetic of content that might be placed there in the future.

Nobody is saying that design begins with fonts/layout/color (although that does happen at times), rather, that when you get to a point where you need to decide how bodies of text will look, you use things like lorem ipsum to approximate how other text will behave within that field.

The other thing about lorem ipsum, which you may be missing and the op certainly misses, is that by not actually being english, you don't get hung up on the meaning of the content, rather, you can pseudo-objectively evaluate the aesthetic choices used to set the text. again, the whole point is to create a template for setting actual text very well.

the largest problem with lorem ipsum is people using it who don't understand why they are using it. I think that using dummy copy that looks like legitimate content is more harmful than using random latin. At least with real latin, you don't delude yourself into thinking that it's anything other than text used to decide formal typographic or layout choices.

Re: Death to Lorem Ipsum – The story behind our app, Lorem Ipsum Tool

#15
I agree that Lorem ipsum shouldn't be used as a replacement for instructions but it does have its place in prototyping.

Lorem ipsum is tremendously useful as placeholders for content types such of sample blog posts, sample description etc. These content are irrelevant to the web developer.

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