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Berkeley Removes 20,000 Free Online Videos to Comply with DOJ Ruling

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Re: Berkeley Removes 20,000 Free Online Videos to Comply with DOJ Ruling

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I'm sure if they asked the american public, or their students, or youtube, or anyone if they were willing to help transcribe educational videos they would have gotten the help they needed. It sounds more like a petty way for administrators to get back at people who just wanted to be treated equitably.

perhaps those people shouldn't have jumped to bringing a lawsuit, then

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Assuming that Reason.com presented the facts of this case fairly (a rather generous assumption), rather than framing it as the DOJ forcing Berkeley to take the videos down, I think the fairer way is to say that Berkeley is refusing to make the videos accessible to the hearing impaired. Captioning the videos would be hugely beneficial to all users of the videos, not just those with hearing problems. I am skeptical tha…

Berkeley will caption any video for their students on request.

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This makes no sense. The courses are up on youtube with closed captioning. https://www.youtube.com/user/UCBerkeley I hope someone is downloading these all and putting up a torrent.

There are torrents, and they're also up on archive.org.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22UC+Berkele...

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/5xqnc6/uc_berk...

Re: Berkeley Removes 20,000 Free Online Videos to Comply with DOJ Ruling

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post #12

Assuming that Reason.com presented the facts of this case fairly (a rather generous assumption), rather than framing it as the DOJ forcing Berkeley to take the videos down, I think the fairer way is to say that Berkeley is refusing to make the videos accessible to the hearing impaired. Captioning the videos would be hugely beneficial to all users of the videos, not just those with hearing problems. I am skeptical tha…

Berkeley will caption any video for their students on request.

Yep, I was just returning to update that this is how they can meet ADA requirements for this content. Thanks.

Re: Berkeley Removes 20,000 Free Online Videos to Comply with DOJ Ruling

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The complaint was put forward by two employees of Gallaudet University - not students. Gallaudet University is a private university for the deaf. I would like to point out that their videos are not friendly to those with visual impairments and they should have their videos removed for the same reason UC Berkeley has to remove theirs. Here are a few such examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffqU3mT4k1o https://ww…

There have been debates among those in the Deaf community on how best to make their videos accessible. Many in the Deaf community routinely add image descriptions and other kinds of captioning/access to their videos and images, usually on Facebook or other social media.

I have yet to see the greater hearing community routinely engage in this kind of universal thinking in access; thinking about people in terms of capabilities and designing their messages with as many capabilities in mind as possible given the technology at hand.

An quote from the article can be rewritten:

"Berkeley had two choices: spend a fortune adding closed captioning to the videos, or remove them from public view. Cost-conscious administrators chose the latter option."

or...

"Berkeley had two main choices: spend money and/or spend time making their content accessible to everyone, or backtrack on their commitment by removing from public view. Privileged administrators (who likely do not need the benefit given by making this content accessible) chose to hide the content rather than be responsible stewards for knowledge."

Re: Berkeley Removes 20,000 Free Online Videos to Comply with DOJ Ruling

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If you muzzle accessibility laws then there will be little to no compliance, organisations and companies do not do these things by choice, that is the evidence of history, laws have been implemented to address this, true, though there is little legal support for those who need assistance to defend what little rights they have gained, it's commercial interests in the main that hinder the implementation of accessibility. Organisations using excuses like this are doing little to address the underlying issues, they are more likely driven by a desire not to pay legal fees and would rather err in favour of their finances.

Re: Berkeley Removes 20,000 Free Online Videos to Comply with DOJ Ruling

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Assuming that Reason.com presented the facts of this case fairly (a rather generous assumption), rather than framing it as the DOJ forcing Berkeley to take the videos down, I think the fairer way is to say that Berkeley is refusing to make the videos accessible to the hearing impaired. Captioning the videos would be hugely beneficial to all users of the videos, not just those with hearing problems. I am skeptical tha…

Berkeley students have accessibility accomodations for each class. I do think understand why all of the US should expect such accomodations. That's not a feasible thing for most universities to do (caption historical catalogue of videos).

The goal of the ADA is to stop the neverending "well this just affects a few people" and "it's too expensive" arguments against providing equal access. If there's no enforcement mechanism, then there's no incentive for Berkeley to ever provide captioning for these videos. They provide it for their students only because the ADA has strong enforcement powers like this. In the dream of edX's original mission--to provide Berkeley-quality education to everyone, free of charge--failure to caption those videos actually does represent discrimination against the hearing-impaired. So I think this is entirely reasonable.

Re: Berkeley Removes 20,000 Free Online Videos to Comply with DOJ Ruling

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Seems like a better course of action would have been to make the videos accessible rather than force them down.

In a perfect world where captioning 20,000 videos was an easy and free task, sure. But since this is not that world, it's an unfortunate and inevitable result.
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