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Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://socknet.net/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChange... There's the same page with the limit changed from the default of 7 days (May 19) to 30 (April 26). And of course Google's been caching stuff there for awhile: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:socknet.net I know the Socknet guy via some trusted former coworkers and I've watched this project for a year or two. He's earnest and hasn't looked for any atte…

He's definitely looking for attention here, otherwise why post an open letter ? No doubt. I stated that badly. It would have been better stated as "hadn't looked for any attention" or "hasn't looked for glory". To me he's not just serious, but also very slow. Some of us are out in the world trying to provide for ourselves and our families while tending to our passions as time allows. To me it has spoken of admirable…

You mixed up the thread :)

I understand that he may have different responsibilities, but that's exactly what I mean. He starts off by talking about finding other 'stale' projects, and how he decided to do it better, on his own time, with a small group.

Now, two years on, from where I'm sitting his project looks indistinguishable from the ones that he is disparaging, so effectively he is undercutting his own project.

If there was any life to this there would be a bit more than this http://foolishmortal.org/list and a guy working his butt off to wean as many users away from facebook, flickr and whatever else there is.

Two years and not yet released to the general public is as good as dead.

The diaspora guys have the opposite problem, so maybe there is a good match here, that's not my call to make, but I'd find it hard to distinguish between this 'slow' project and the 'mostly dead' ones out there.

I understand that laying a solid foundation takes time, but it would have been better to iterate a bit faster and get some user feedback, maybe a designer on board and some more programmers.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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Why did this need to be an open letter?

Because it's impossible to start working on a FOSS project in a field without the people behind the various failed, embryonic, or plain poor pre-existing projects in that field demanding that you instead validate their work.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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Off topic: if you look at the kickstarter page for Diaspora http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/196017994/diaspora-the-p...

Notice how for anyone who donates more than $5 they need to send them a CD with Diaspora on it. $25 gets them a t-shirt etc.

For 6k donors, they're going to spend ~$50-100k of the $200k they raised just meeting their commitments. Not to mention a huge amount of time dealing with the logistics.

Edit: Jesus, if you account for the fact that they promised 1 year hosted service, and 1 year phone support for anyone who donated more than $350, these guys are already underwater.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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I think all this decentralized social networking is unnecessary. All we really need is an easy way to switch social networks. Something like a list of UUIDs as your friends list which can be imported into your social network of choice, and exported when you want to leave.

Even email is centralized.

The only problem would be getting the current industry leader, facebook, to willing adopt such a thing. They probably won't so this would be more of a consideration for the next generation of social networks.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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He's got a branding problem as well. 'Socknet'? And foolishmortal.net looks like pre-beta HN.

Geeks sometimes don't seem to understand the power and value of word choice, or design. Smart word choice and updated design is not sufficient, but in a Web 2.0+ world, it's necessary.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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post #13

Off topic: if you look at the kickstarter page for Diaspora http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/196017994/diaspora-the-p... Notice how for anyone who donates more than $5 they need to send them a CD with Diaspora on it. $25 gets them a t-shirt etc. For 6k donors, they're going to spend ~$50-100k of the $200k they raised just meeting their commitments. Not to mention a huge amount of time dealing with the logistics. E…

>Jesus, if you account for the fact that they promised 1 year hosted service, and 1 year phone support for anyone who donated more than $350, these guys are already underwater.

By "hosting" they mean 1 year of a Diaspora account on their server. So essentially that's 30/month for unlimited photo and text uploads to a walled garden site. I'm pretty sure they're fine.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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post #13

Off topic: if you look at the kickstarter page for Diaspora http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/196017994/diaspora-the-p... Notice how for anyone who donates more than $5 they need to send them a CD with Diaspora on it. $25 gets them a t-shirt etc. For 6k donors, they're going to spend ~$50-100k of the $200k they raised just meeting their commitments. Not to mention a huge amount of time dealing with the logistics. E…

IF their product is such that an end user needs hosted service and phone support in the first place, they are worse than underwater.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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post #13

Off topic: if you look at the kickstarter page for Diaspora http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/196017994/diaspora-the-p... Notice how for anyone who donates more than $5 they need to send them a CD with Diaspora on it. $25 gets them a t-shirt etc. For 6k donors, they're going to spend ~$50-100k of the $200k they raised just meeting their commitments. Not to mention a huge amount of time dealing with the logistics. E…

>Jesus, if you account for the fact that they promised 1 year hosted service, and 1 year phone support for anyone who donated more than $350, these guys are already underwater. By "hosting" they mean 1 year of a Diaspora account on their server. So essentially that's 30/month for unlimited photo and text uploads to a walled garden site. I'm pretty sure they're fine.

I really hope so. I guess there's no SLA so they're not obligated to provide any particular level of service.

Anyway, I believe the phone support is a much more serious liability.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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I think all this decentralized social networking is unnecessary. All we really need is an easy way to switch social networks. Something like a list of UUIDs as your friends list which can be imported into your social network of choice, and exported when you want to leave. Even email is centralized. The only problem would be getting the current industry leader, facebook, to willing adopt such a thing. They probably wo…

Email is centralized yes but its also somewhat open. You can send an email to any provider and receive from any provider. You cannot send a message from say facebook to twitter and get a response back.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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I think all this decentralized social networking is unnecessary. All we really need is an easy way to switch social networks. Something like a list of UUIDs as your friends list which can be imported into your social network of choice, and exported when you want to leave. Even email is centralized. The only problem would be getting the current industry leader, facebook, to willing adopt such a thing. They probably wo…

Email is centralized yes but its also somewhat open. You can send an email to any provider and receive from any provider. You cannot send a message from say facebook to twitter and get a response back.

Email is also pretty featureless. An open standard will always innovate slower than a proprietary site.
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