Things like this makes me worried about the future of the USA. How can a country succeed in the future if they reject reality? I know Fox News is not representative of all US media, but even the president admits that his worldview is based on whatever the news editor cooks up that day.
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#12I'm interested in how this is being reported on in the USA - is there a discussion about the complete fabrication of this story, or is the story itself successfully doing the rounds? It seems amazing that manipulation of the public on such a massive scale is even possible in somewhere like the USA, if that's what is happening.
I saw something about it on Twitter. But it's Fox News, so wasn't really that unexpected. They have been attempting to manipulate the public on a massive scale for a long time, as long as the manipulation serves the preferred narrative.
Surely, NBC, CNN, etc try and do this also?
Note: Don't take this to mean I, in ANY way, support Fox News.
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#13Things like this makes me worried about the future of the USA. How can a country succeed in the future if they reject reality? I know Fox News is not representative of all US media, but even the president admits that his worldview is based on whatever the news editor cooks up that day.
> I know Fox News is not representative of all US media...
No? I mean, maybe they're the most egregious, but I'll bet each and every media outlet bends things from time to time to fit a narrative.
Look at the live reporting that happened during the election. There was a lot of sputtering going on when THAT didn't fit their narrative.
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#14I don't get why the Right is so keen to vilify Sweden. I've lived abroad and travelled and feel I have a fair handle on all the countries I've visited and I'm living abroad now.. In Sweden! Nordic countries are by far the best functioning countries I've ever visited and should serve as positive examples.
The politics in Sweden are exactly the opposite of what Trump has in mind. The Right wants to pretend that Sweden is a mess so they can justify their own policies. They know that their electorate swallows whatever they tell them, because, well, they swallowed whatever they said during their campaign. So why change now?
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#15I don't get why the Right is so keen to vilify Sweden. I've lived abroad and travelled and feel I have a fair handle on all the countries I've visited and I'm living abroad now.. In Sweden! Nordic countries are by far the best functioning countries I've ever visited and should serve as positive examples.
The Right is so keen to vilify Sweden because they care about and want to prevent the disintegration of the nation, whatever that means. If they didn't care, they wouldn't complain.
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#16Things like this makes me worried about the future of the USA. How can a country succeed in the future if they reject reality? I know Fox News is not representative of all US media, but even the president admits that his worldview is based on whatever the news editor cooks up that day.
To understand what is happening ("How can a country succeed in the future if they reject reality?") you need to understand the concept of ideological subversion and the role played by the demoralization of a people.
Highly recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
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#17I don't get why the Right is so keen to vilify Sweden. I've lived abroad and travelled and feel I have a fair handle on all the countries I've visited and I'm living abroad now.. In Sweden! Nordic countries are by far the best functioning countries I've ever visited and should serve as positive examples.
Because Scandinavia has countries that are aggressively left-wing and really successful at it. These are the places that prove that liberal ideals work. And they've accepted a tremendous number of refugees.
So ideologue right wingers are desperate to see them fail, as proof that Muslims are intrinsically hateful and that Scandinavians are chumps for falling for leftist ideals.
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#18Things like this makes me worried about the future of the USA. How can a country succeed in the future if they reject reality? I know Fox News is not representative of all US media, but even the president admits that his worldview is based on whatever the news editor cooks up that day.
All this makes me think a war is being cooked up though the stance on Europe doesn't make any sense to me. I thought China is the "issue" now not EU which still pays the price of the latest NATO war(s).
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#19I don't get why the Right is so keen to vilify Sweden. I've lived abroad and travelled and feel I have a fair handle on all the countries I've visited and I'm living abroad now.. In Sweden! Nordic countries are by far the best functioning countries I've ever visited and should serve as positive examples.
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#20I don't get why the Right is so keen to vilify Sweden. I've lived abroad and travelled and feel I have a fair handle on all the countries I've visited and I'm living abroad now.. In Sweden! Nordic countries are by far the best functioning countries I've ever visited and should serve as positive examples.
Malicious propaganda will plant seeds of negative associations no matter how blatantly false and/or out-of-proportion the original statement is. This will probably make it harder to use Sweden and the Scandinavian countries as a good example with regards to basically everything - not just immigration.
An example of this is the immigration related clarification article from the Swedish government that even made it to HN. That shouldn't even be needed for such disproportionate bs. But it just works.