Anyone looking at openEBS.io? This is open source scale out block for containers.
Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
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Re: Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
#12In addition to Rook https://rook.io/ , which CoreOS mentions and we need to add, please take a look at the other cloud-native storage options listed on the CNCF cloud native landscape: https://github.com/cncf/landscape
Disclosure: I'm executive director of CNCF, and co-author of the landscape.
Re: Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
#13"But we didn't achieve the development velocity over the 8 months that we had hoped for when we started out, and as such we didn't achieve the depth of community engagement we had hoped for either." Open source is tough, even as a successful VC funded company. Gotta give credit to CoreOS though, rather than beating a dead horse they're acknowledging there's little external interest and their time would be better spen…
And, well, it looks like it was mostly just one guy working on it.
Re: Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
#14could anyone more familiar with the situation give context around the decision + what is happening moving forward? Thanks
Nothing of value was lost, don't worry about it. People reinventing the wheel, realised it takes a lot more than they are capable of. Same old, same old.
I can't speak to the value of Torus, but in this case the best wheels are proprietary and their design is secret. Reinventing them is reasonable.
Re: Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
#15"But we didn't achieve the development velocity over the 8 months that we had hoped for when we started out, and as such we didn't achieve the depth of community engagement we had hoped for either." Open source is tough, even as a successful VC funded company. Gotta give credit to CoreOS though, rather than beating a dead horse they're acknowledging there's little external interest and their time would be better spen…
I missed the fleet discontinuation notice. Is there a link somewhere about it?
Re: Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
#16"But we didn't achieve the development velocity over the 8 months that we had hoped for when we started out, and as such we didn't achieve the depth of community engagement we had hoped for either." Open source is tough, even as a successful VC funded company. Gotta give credit to CoreOS though, rather than beating a dead horse they're acknowledging there's little external interest and their time would be better spen…
> Everyone is already struggling to understand the complexities of this new ecosystem and how the pieces all fit together
I believe Google's (and Amazon's) secret sauce is having large sysops and devops teams filled with subject matter experts - and the software's original developers.
Efforts like Torus are trying to build zero-to-low-maintenance turn-key solutions, whilst Google is happy to have tens of full-time distributed storage engineers.
Re: Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
#17"But we didn't achieve the development velocity over the 8 months that we had hoped for when we started out, and as such we didn't achieve the depth of community engagement we had hoped for either." Open source is tough, even as a successful VC funded company. Gotta give credit to CoreOS though, rather than beating a dead horse they're acknowledging there's little external interest and their time would be better spen…
I missed the fleet discontinuation notice. Is there a link somewhere about it?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13592864 was the thread here
Re: Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
#18In addition to Rook https://rook.io/ , which CoreOS mentions and we need to add, please take a look at the other cloud-native storage options listed on the CNCF cloud native landscape: https://github.com/cncf/landscape Disclosure: I'm executive director of CNCF, and co-author of the landscape.
Do you have any details about running Rook on Kubernetes? The Rook docs link to an outdated document about running Kubernetes on CoreOS.
Re: Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
#19"But we didn't achieve the development velocity over the 8 months that we had hoped for when we started out, and as such we didn't achieve the depth of community engagement we had hoped for either." Open source is tough, even as a successful VC funded company. Gotta give credit to CoreOS though, rather than beating a dead horse they're acknowledging there's little external interest and their time would be better spen…
I just spoke with some of the CoreOS team two days ago and Tectonic development is definitely being accelerated, which is critical given a few complete blockers in their setup (e.g. the VPC CIDR range in AWS must be 10.0.0.0/16 - Whoa there, Tex, that's gonna cause all sorts of conflicts with our internal network and Direct Connect)
Re: Torus development has been stopped at CoreOS
#20Bcantrill on how hard such a feat would be to accomplish. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11817387 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11818081
disclaimer: I work on project Rook.
Yes building a whole new data path is complicated and takes many years to get right. Its also somewhat of a moving target with new storage technologies appearing on the scene (like SMR drives, NVME, and persistent memory).
It would be much more effective for the community to coalesce around a common data path just like we coalesce around kernels. Something like Ceph is a great start, its battle-tested and has storage vendors (like Intel, Samsung, SanDisk and others) updating/optimizing it for new kinds of storage.
The focus on simplicity and integration into cloud-native environments is critical however and Torus' vision was spot on. Kudos to the CoreOS team for raising the bar on this.