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Mathematical genius is fragile

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Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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It is better for women now than it was before, but it is still far from perfect. Just look at the turn over rate and exit rate of women in these fields. Even the women who objectively "make it" are being driven out of the industry in droves.

Driven out by who? A mass group of secret conspirators?

Women report being driven out by men hitting on them and sexually harassing them.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driven out by who? A mass group of secret conspirators?

Women report being driven out by men hitting on them and sexually harassing them.

Many women are not attracted to work in fields populated 90% by males. I believe this to be a more subtle problem that you suggest; you might eliminate all sexual harassment and it would still be the case.

EDIT: not calling anyone a liar.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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With common core, math is mostly now word problems, which makes them as much reading comprehension as abstract mathematical problems. This is going to be especially brutal for boys, who typically trail girls in reading skills early on.

I expect in a decade the current 2-1 female-male ratio in higher education is going to reach such crisis levels that even our media will be unable to ignore it, as they do currently.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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The author lost me at "Mathematical genius resides within every one of us — most people just don’t know it yet." The movie Ratatouille captured the sentiment much better, "a great chef can be anyone". Which is not the same as "anyone can be a great chef". It seems the author is mixing up those two. I fully agree that gender, background, schooling, etc is not the key determination of genius. However, saying anyone cou…

Being a hard worker is easier than being seven feet tall, though. I know it's disingenuous to say hard work will get you everywhere, but working your ass off and being confident about it will get you pretty far.

In my experience, qualitative arguments of the form above rarely change people's minds but a quantitative model will help.

The question asked is the causal network that contributes to mathematical genius and the distribution of contributing causal factors within the population -- P(genius | factors)

Various factors are clearly involved: P(genius | intelligence), P(genius | hard work), P(genius | self-confidence), and so on.

If we accept that those functions are probably not uniformly distributed and that some have a stronger impact than others, we can see that most arguments can be reduced to describing those functions or describing the distributions of those factors among the population.

Where most educated people's intuitions lead them astray is that the experience of segregation in higher education and employment has led them to vastly underestimate the actual variance in factors like intelligence, hard work and self-confidence among people.

Vanishingly few individual actually possess the right combination of factors required for mathematic genius.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Women report being driven out by men hitting on them and sexually harassing them.

Many women are not attracted to work in fields populated 90% by males. I believe this to be a more subtle problem that you suggest; you might eliminate all sexual harassment and it would still be the case. EDIT: not calling anyone a liar.

What I am saying, is that the two biggest complaints that women who have worked in this industry have stated to me, are being hit on, and being harassed. Not as a single incident, but as a pattern. The only argument you could make against this is that I'm lying, and women haven't actually said these things to me.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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The author lost me at "Mathematical genius resides within every one of us — most people just don’t know it yet." The movie Ratatouille captured the sentiment much better, "a great chef can be anyone". Which is not the same as "anyone can be a great chef". It seems the author is mixing up those two. I fully agree that gender, background, schooling, etc is not the key determination of genius. However, saying anyone cou…

Math is a high IQ game. Anyone who tells you otherwise is kidding themselves.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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The author lost me at "Mathematical genius resides within every one of us — most people just don’t know it yet." The movie Ratatouille captured the sentiment much better, "a great chef can be anyone". Which is not the same as "anyone can be a great chef". It seems the author is mixing up those two. I fully agree that gender, background, schooling, etc is not the key determination of genius. However, saying anyone cou…

So there are many fields of math, and you find you're good at one type,and even be a genius in that field...

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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With common core, math is mostly now word problems, which makes them as much reading comprehension as abstract mathematical problems. This is going to be especially brutal for boys, who typically trail girls in reading skills early on. I expect in a decade the current 2-1 female-male ratio in higher education is going to reach such crisis levels that even our media will be unable to ignore it, as they do currently.

It's not just that: introductory Calculus at even community colleges is designed to weed students out instead of emphasizing on teaching and comprehension. With tactics like curves, rushed test-taking, unrelated material on exams, poor lectures, and a "learn it yourself or die" attitude it's clear that many types of different learners are not given a fair shake.

That is to say, many bright students who may be good at Math someday (like Hadamard) are unceremoniously kicked out of Math fields because of the sink or swim nature of teaching today either through lack of confidence or simple inability to muster the proper grades.

This makes you wonder: how many potential geniuses in Mathematics or other STEM fields are we losing due to darwinian teaching tactics? I suspect many more than we're willing to admit.

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