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China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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Re: China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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Post by softwarelimits »

tluyben2 wrote: post #4
Roritharr wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But which country will be the first to bring Skynet online?

Czech? http://www.moravcik.info/

Extremely impressive website with lots of fascinating examples. I assume the website was generated by the real-human-brain algorithm with the given task of "maximum impress site visitor". This will change everything!

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Post by tluyben2 »

softwarelimits wrote: post #11
tluyben2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Czech? http://www.moravcik.info/

Extremely impressive website with lots of fascinating examples. I assume the website was generated by the real-human-brain algorithm with the given task of "maximum impress site visitor". This will change everything!

I ran into it on some Reddit stream and thought it was funny as he claims AGI and he is everywhere asking/pleading for buyers. In the Netherlands we had Sloot[0] who claimed a similar impossible feat in another field. Well Sloot was actually claiming something 'more impossible'; I do think strong AI will happen but we are far off while Sloot claimed something impossible (Kolmogorov complexity is a good book about that). Sloot was believed by many and invested in. Also by people who should know better.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Sloot

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Post by albertTJames »

albertTJames wrote: post #6

So much for the "Federation of Planets launching race" ...

Trekkie Peace message getting down voted on HN ?

... You guys need to get out of deep nets and go back to your classics

“Without followers, evil cannot spread.” - Spock

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Post by adventured »

beefsack wrote: post #7

An article about US AI research or supercomputers wouldn't be labelled an "arms race."

That's because it's a classic refrain that most commonly refers to international competition more often than domestic competition, due to the obvious broad implications to national security and defense. It's not in any way limited to or specific to China - and it's even occasionally used domestically in reference to tech companies battling (see: frequent arms race references in regards to Amazon vs Google vs Microsoft in cloud).

The exact same language would be used if the US were competing against Russia on this, and previously was used when the USSR was the primary political competitor of the US. It has also been used to refer to competition with Japan, now and in the past.

NYTimes, 2005, vs the Japanese (and recently ascendant China):

"A global race is under way to reach the next milestone in supercomputer performance, many times the speed of today's most powerful machines. And beyond the customary rivalry in the field between the United States and Japan, there is a new entrant -- China -- eager to showcase its arrival as an economic powerhouse."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/technology/a-new-arms-race...

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"A Global Arms Race to Create a Superintelligent AI is Looming"

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a-global-arms-rac...

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"Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking Warn of Artificial Intelligence Arms Race"

http://www.newsweek.com/ai-asilomar-principles-artificial-in...

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"How Amazon Triggered a Robot Arms Race"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-29/how-amazo...

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"Amazon and Google Continue Cloud Arms Race With New Data Centers"

http://fortune.com/2016/09/30/amazon-google-add-data-centers...

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2009: "Smartphone vs. feature phone arms race heats up"

http://www.zdnet.com/article/smartphone-vs-feature-phone-arm...

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"The Adultery Arms Race"

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/11/the-adu...

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Post by thinkr42 »

Byzantine hiring processes in the government itself doesn't help this problem. This isn't a politica statement, if you compare USAJobs to an average tech company you'll see an over emphasis on certifications and the like. There are reasons for it, but it doesn't help when decision makers or project managers don't know what real success looks like or how to even measure it.

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Post by lallysingh »

Roritharr wrote: post #3
renesd wrote: post #2

It's always been an international community. People in pretty much every country are doing some pretty amazing stuff. A lot of it you won't hear about if you limit yourself to press releases from venture capitalists.

But which country will be the first to bring Skynet online?

DoD's brought several of them online already.

1 example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougaar

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Post by lallysingh »

anon2264 wrote: post #8
mtgx wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normally I would say China, because it has a strong incentive to create an automated system that censors everything the leadership wants, and that manages "citizen scores", and spies on everyone at all times. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. intelligence agencies want to do that just as much to Americans and the whole planet, but do it in secret.

Yes. The heavy lifting when it comes to spying on the US is already being done. Applying data analysis would be relatively trivial at this point.

I think there are challenges in the analysis dept: many higher ups are too clueless to know what they want or interpret what they can get.
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