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Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Re: Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Post by e40 »

phd514 wrote: post #8
uppercasenut wrote: post #2

going to comment on my own submission: it's hard to underestimate the damage done to these people. Leaving aside the life /torture/death cases, and just assuming that they are regular immigrants: They have sold everything they own and probably gone heavily in debt to finance the trip....to essentially paradise. And now?

A similar thing happened to 91 Cuban refugees that were in transit to the US when Obama ended the policy of granting residency to any who reached the US.

There's a big difference between the current situation and the one you point out: the current immigrants were known in advance and traveling legally between their home country and ours. The Cubans were not known until they arrived. That is, Obama had no way to know they were in transit. Trump could have known he was stranding people, had he asked and if the INS has the data accessible.

Re: Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Post by phd514 »

e40 wrote: post #11
phd514 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A similar thing happened to 91 Cuban refugees that were in transit to the US when Obama ended the policy of granting residency to any who reached the US.

There's a big difference between the current situation and the one you point out: the current immigrants were known in advance and traveling legally between their home country and ours. The Cubans were not known until they arrived. That is, Obama had no way to know they were in transit. Trump could have known he was stranding people, had he asked and if the INS has the data accessible.

The difference isn't that big. It had been US policy for decades to grant residency to Cuban refugees. Obama could have made the change effective as of a date a couple months in the future to avoid stranding those in transit but he chose instead to make it effective immediately.

Re: Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Post by uppercasenut »

pharrington wrote: post #12

This article is garbage, read the introduction of the lawsuit itself: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3438631/EDVA-Amen...

so i read it : "What happened to Tareq and Ammar is illustrative of what happened to dozens—if not hundreds—of LPRs and immigrant visa holders throughout the country on January 27 and 28, 2017.

In these circumstances described above, any relinquishment of rights via a form I-407 was not voluntary, knowing, or freely given. Instead, it was the direct product of respondents’ agents’ misrepresentations as to what would occur if these individuals refused to sign.

On information and belief, similarly-situated individuals who did not sign I-407s were ultimately admitted into the United States—thus demonstrating the falsity of the representations of respondents’ agents."

Re: Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Post by concinds »

Questions:

1. Do these people, who were coerced into "cancelling" their immigrant visas, have to go through the whole process again, or, since they were coerced, will their visa be reactivated?

2. What are the consequences of this on the administration?

Re: Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Post by klipt »

phd514 wrote: post #8
uppercasenut wrote: post #2

going to comment on my own submission: it's hard to underestimate the damage done to these people. Leaving aside the life /torture/death cases, and just assuming that they are regular immigrants: They have sold everything they own and probably gone heavily in debt to finance the trip....to essentially paradise. And now?

A similar thing happened to 91 Cuban refugees that were in transit to the US when Obama ended the policy of granting residency to any who reached the US.

That's terrible, Trump should reverse Obama's mistake immediately and give those Cubans green cards! I'm sure Trump would hate for refugees to be unnecessarily locked out of the US ... oh wait.

Re: Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Post by codegeek »

pharrington wrote: post #12

This article is garbage, read the introduction of the lawsuit itself: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3438631/EDVA-Amen...

Here is the Introduction verbatim:

"This ban, when first promulgated, included individuals on immigrant visas and returning lawful permanent residents."

So why is it ok for returning lawful permanent residents to be banned ? To become a permanent resident, you have to go through tons of paperwork and background checks already. It takes anywhere from 9-12 months to even years to get a green card. The point is that this executive order completely ignored lawful PRs and that is totally unfair and probably unconstitutional. Whats next ? Naturalized citizens ? Then who is next ?

I can understand banning non-americans. But lawful Permanent Residents are considered "US Persons" as per definition which means they have all the rights as a citizen except the right to vote and run for office. If I was PR who was treated like this, I will be furious. Period. And I love America.

Re: Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Post by cylinder »

phd514 wrote: post #8
uppercasenut wrote: post #2

going to comment on my own submission: it's hard to underestimate the damage done to these people. Leaving aside the life /torture/death cases, and just assuming that they are regular immigrants: They have sold everything they own and probably gone heavily in debt to finance the trip....to essentially paradise. And now?

A similar thing happened to 91 Cuban refugees that were in transit to the US when Obama ended the policy of granting residency to any who reached the US.

Except those people did not have any immigrant visas issued to them, or indeed any sort of visa or invitation.

Re: Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Post by neaden »

concinds wrote: post #15

Questions: 1. Do these people, who were coerced into "cancelling" their immigrant visas, have to go through the whole process again, or, since they were coerced, will their visa be reactivated? 2. What are the consequences of this on the administration?

I don't think anyone knows the answer to either of these questions at this point. It will depend on what happens next.

Re: Dozens of immigrants ... coerced into giving up visas and green cards

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Post by cylinder »

uppercasenut wrote: post #2

going to comment on my own submission: it's hard to underestimate the damage done to these people. Leaving aside the life /torture/death cases, and just assuming that they are regular immigrants: They have sold everything they own and probably gone heavily in debt to finance the trip....to essentially paradise. And now?

Indeed there have been several anecdotes in the media about that situation: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/world/africa/trump-refuge...

This is really disgusting behavior by the US. If this was done by private parties they'd easily be able to sue for damages under promissory estoppel.

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