Will they pay them us salaries?
LOL, no. Don't be naive.
Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada
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#12I'll say this everytime Vancouver comes up in HN. It's a stunning city, full of modern amenities (including a public transit system that's actually awesome and very well used) and incredible access to nature. None of this is remotely enticing to young engineers when they make 2x-3x as much in SF and only pay ~30-50% more for housing.
Until wages rise in Vancouver, there will be much fanfare about tech companies moving north, but very little actual movement.
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#13I'll say this everytime Vancouver comes up in HN. It's a stunning city, full of modern amenities (including a public transit system that's actually awesome and very well used) and incredible access to nature. None of this is remotely enticing to young engineers when they make 2x-3x as much in SF and only pay ~30-50% more for housing. Until wages rise in Vancouver, there will be much fanfare about tech companies movin…
Why doesn't silicon valley throw Mexico a bone?
I'm sure Mexico would be up to taking advantage of the new congress's policies as a means to irk Trump.
Why not contribute to the economic growth of the underachieving neighbor rather than the overachiever? People talk about sympathizing illegal immigrants from Mexico, but when they have a real opportunity to help develop the place, they kind of forget about them altogether, as if it's just an opinion to have.
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#14Canada, where you make less and pay more
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#15I'll say this everytime Vancouver comes up in HN. It's a stunning city, full of modern amenities (including a public transit system that's actually awesome and very well used) and incredible access to nature. None of this is remotely enticing to young engineers when they make 2x-3x as much in SF and only pay ~30-50% more for housing. Until wages rise in Vancouver, there will be much fanfare about tech companies movin…
Why doesn't silicon valley throw Mexico a bone? I'm sure Mexico would be up to taking advantage of the new congress's policies as a means to irk Trump. Why not contribute to the economic growth of the underachieving neighbor rather than the overachiever? People talk about sympathizing illegal immigrants from Mexico, but when they have a real opportunity to help develop the place, they kind of forget about them altoge…
I have no insight into the decision process used by these companies, however there are several issues that would be less appealing to workers. I can only imagine that retaining talent and productivity is their number one concern. The most obvious is the language barrier. Many of these immigrant workers have invested a large amount of their time throughout their lives to learn English, and move their families to an English speaking country. It's a disruption to move, but at least the transition process can eased if the country speaks English.
The primary goal of these companies is to profit. I get the sense that many of the companies doing this are smaller venture backed companies that don't have enormous resources to spare. If they go under, then they won't be helping anyone. That said, Google has offices in Mexico.
I say this as an American born Latino who can speak Spanish.
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#16I'm so sick of the "moving to Canada" talk. You get to come if we say so, not because it's your backup plan.
I like living where I am now, and I don't want to leave to go back to Canada and earn drastically less with the same (optimistically) expenses. While working on less interesting stuff.
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#17Wasn't the previous Canadian prime minister at least as xenophobic as Trump? (e.g., they revoked a bunch of dual citizens' Canadian citizenship) What will prevent Canadians from out-crazying the US in the next major election? (Honest question; Vancouver is a beautiful city, and presumably much less expensive than SF.)
> Wasn't the previous Canadian prime minister at least as xenophobic as Trump?
God no. They passed a (bullshit) law saying that they could revoke the Canadian citizenship of someone under specific circumstances. You had to be a dual citizen (or eligible?) and commit one of a few crimes.
- obtaining citizenship by fraud (this I think is entirely reasonable) - committing an act of terrorism - treason - taking up arms against Canada
The liberals repealed some of this already (IIRC everything but the portions about fraudulently obtaining citizenship).
> What will prevent Canadians from out-crazying the US in the next major election?
We have a sane electoral system and just generally aren't as crazy.
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#18I'll say this everytime Vancouver comes up in HN. It's a stunning city, full of modern amenities (including a public transit system that's actually awesome and very well used) and incredible access to nature. None of this is remotely enticing to young engineers when they make 2x-3x as much in SF and only pay ~30-50% more for housing. Until wages rise in Vancouver, there will be much fanfare about tech companies movin…
Why doesn't silicon valley throw Mexico a bone? I'm sure Mexico would be up to taking advantage of the new congress's policies as a means to irk Trump. Why not contribute to the economic growth of the underachieving neighbor rather than the overachiever? People talk about sympathizing illegal immigrants from Mexico, but when they have a real opportunity to help develop the place, they kind of forget about them altoge…
Many people don't want to live somewhere where the cartels rule and disappearings ending in brutal murder are a thing.
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#19Smart, can US citizens go too?
No. There are plenty of unemployed Canadians. Americans will just steal those jobs and bring down wages.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why doesn't silicon valley throw Mexico a bone? I'm sure Mexico would be up to taking advantage of the new congress's policies as a means to irk Trump. Why not contribute to the economic growth of the underachieving neighbor rather than the overachiever? People talk about sympathizing illegal immigrants from Mexico, but when they have a real opportunity to help develop the place, they kind of forget about them altoge…
Many people don't want to live somewhere where the cartels rule and disappearings ending in brutal murder are a thing.
If google can have offices in mdf, so can others --stay out of the illegal drugs business and you'll be fine.
This protest business is strange. We have many Indians here fretting and denouncing the temp refugee ban, but I'd bet most don't care about how the Indian government treats refugees back home (some in UN camps), many not recognized. etc., so it's all political selfishness which is why maybe Americans can be selfish till we get our own poor out of the dumps.