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The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Although I agree this is likely a setup for more to come, I disagree that this is a "headfake".

A "headfake" implies it achieves nothing if one's opponent ignores it. In this case, if there was no pushback, then he would have successfully banned green card holders from seven nations. Then it would receive even less coverage/reaction when he adds an eighth nation, a ninth, a tenth, and so on... Pretty soon, you'll only have legal immigration from nations Steve Bannon deems worthy.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

#12
> Second, pay journalists to watch for the head fake. That’s their job. Become a paying subscriber to news outlets, then actively ask them to more deeply cover moves like the NSC shakeup. We can no longer breathlessly focus media attention on easy stories like the immigration ban. The real story is much more nuanced and boring — until it’s not.

This finally convinced me to get an online subscription to the New York Times, after trying to avoid paying anything for news for years. It makes sense to me to think of a subscription not so much as product-purchase, but more like a patreon-like pledge of support.

I kinda wish I could get one to the WSJ too, but their prices seem too high :/

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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> Second, pay journalists to watch for the head fake. That’s their job. Become a paying subscriber to news outlets, then actively ask them to more deeply cover moves like the NSC shakeup. We can no longer breathlessly focus media attention on easy stories like the immigration ban. The real story is much more nuanced and boring — until it’s not. This finally convinced me to get an online subscription to the New York T…

The same New York Times who delayed publication of NSA spying until after Bush's re-election, and would have buried the article entirely had the author not threatened to publish a book [1]? I think it's great you're willing to pay for news, but I urge you to find a source that's less cozy with those in power, such as The Intercept, of Snowden fame.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_times#Delayed_publica...

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Before November I would not have upvoted this story. But given that Steve Bannon is in WH to come up with ideas to 1) end international co-operation 2) destroy existing democratic institutions 3) create a nation state on the shared heritage identity (descendants from a specfic group of European countries practicing a specific religion), such theories do not seem out of place

If you have the time, you should look up the transcript of the 2014 speech Bannon gave regarding some of his views. I think Buzzfeed has a copy (I know Buzzfeed sucks but this is one of the rare times there's a gem on that site). To break it down, Bannon seriously believes the West has lost its way since the fall of the USSR. And that he wants to bring it back into balance for Christianity. That includes manipulating capital owners into conformance any way he can. Basically, Dominionism 2.0. It's weird how this flew under the radar but I suspect it's intentional because most people in the US aren't the kind of Christian that would sign up for any kind of Dominionism anymore since the generational split on this is firmly established. I think it's a question of whether or not Bannon and his ilk realize you can't engineer people to accept it. But then again this is the same guy who got violent on Biosphere 2 with researchers when things didn't go his way. When reality smacks him a few times in Congress I expect either he'll try to force Trump to be more draconian than even he's capable of being or misstepping big time and winding up getting fired (I can see Kellyanne Conway or Reince Preibus pulling this off against him).

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

#16

> Second, pay journalists to watch for the head fake. That’s their job. Become a paying subscriber to news outlets, then actively ask them to more deeply cover moves like the NSC shakeup. We can no longer breathlessly focus media attention on easy stories like the immigration ban. The real story is much more nuanced and boring — until it’s not. This finally convinced me to get an online subscription to the New York T…

The same New York Times who delayed publication of NSA spying until after Bush's re-election, and would have buried the article entirely had the author not threatened to publish a book [1]? I think it's great you're willing to pay for news, but I urge you to find a source that's less cozy with those in power, such as The Intercept, of Snowden fame. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_times#Delayed_publica...

What would HN recommend for a news source that is worth paying for lately?

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

#17

> Second, pay journalists to watch for the head fake. That’s their job. Become a paying subscriber to news outlets, then actively ask them to more deeply cover moves like the NSC shakeup. We can no longer breathlessly focus media attention on easy stories like the immigration ban. The real story is much more nuanced and boring — until it’s not. This finally convinced me to get an online subscription to the New York T…

The same New York Times who delayed publication of NSA spying until after Bush's re-election, and would have buried the article entirely had the author not threatened to publish a book [1]? I think it's great you're willing to pay for news, but I urge you to find a source that's less cozy with those in power, such as The Intercept, of Snowden fame. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_times#Delayed_publica...

Who else, then?

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same New York Times who delayed publication of NSA spying until after Bush's re-election, and would have buried the article entirely had the author not threatened to publish a book [1]? I think it's great you're willing to pay for news, but I urge you to find a source that's less cozy with those in power, such as The Intercept, of Snowden fame. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_times#Delayed_publica...

What would HN recommend for a news source that is worth paying for lately?

Wondering the same thing myself. In the U.K. I can attest to the quality of The Guardian although it does get a little emotionally charged - particularly its editorials - excellent paper otherwise. The Financial Times is another excellent paper and funnily enough regarded by Noam Chomsky as the most accurate.

As far as US papers go The NY Times has a pretty spotty history. It is still a very good paper, just gotta be aware of its short comings.

I hear The Wall Street Journal is also very good but never really read it personally - usually pickup The Economist instead (despite all its problems).

As far as free stuff goes Democracy Now is up there with any news I've seen on television and since it refuses corporate, advertising or government funding is entirely reliant on donations to remain as unbiased as possible. Very good indeed and worth supporting.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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This should be downvoted as horribly misleading. This idiot is FACTUALLY and PROVABLY wrong.

One instance which is easy to demonstrate is the line that the President "removed a permanent military presence from the NSC".

The military is on the Council according to LAW. No president can change that.

SOURCE: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3021

Now stop repeating crap that isn't true. It takes away from real issues, and divides the country on YOUR Headfake.

HN readers deserve better. Much better.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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post #19

This should be downvoted as horribly misleading. This idiot is FACTUALLY and PROVABLY wrong. One instance which is easy to demonstrate is the line that the President "removed a permanent military presence from the NSC". The military is on the Council according to LAW. No president can change that. SOURCE: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3021 Now stop repeating crap that isn't true. It takes away from real…

"removed a permanent military presence from the NSC"

This is a reference to Trump downgrading the Joint Chiefs of Staff (as well as the director of national intelligence) from the principals committee of the NSC. Rather than attending every meeting, they'll only be asked to attend if the topic of discussion pertains to their area. They're no longer permanently in attendance: just occasionally.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/stephen-bannon-donald-...

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