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Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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Re: Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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"By the way, what have you done that's so great? Do you create anything, or just criticise others work and belittle their motivations?" Burn.

Upvoted for hilarity factor. But from a logical standpoint this is really a bad argument. Writing often has a destructive purpose; what the person has "created" has very little to do with whether his criticism is valid or not.

Re: Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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post #11

"By the way, what have you done that's so great? Do you create anything, or just criticise others work and belittle their motivations?" Burn.

Upvoted for hilarity factor. But from a logical standpoint this is really a bad argument. Writing often has a destructive purpose; what the person has "created" has very little to do with whether his criticism is valid or not.

Yeah, it's also a pretty weird attitude. Certainly not one that scientifically or engineering-minded people should have. If someone alleges that your physics experiment has a problem, the proper answer isn't: "Oh yeah? Well I've got tenure and recently won a major award in my field. What kind of physics discoveries have you made lately?" Scientists actually lose a lot of reputation if they start getting that sort of attitude--- it's been the sad fate of some late-career scientists.

Re: Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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It's a great question. Why are people so bitter? We have several really good SmartPhone platforms to choose from today. Looks like the tablet market will be as competitive. So if we're not being forced into one platform and have the freedom to simply buy another product that suits our needs what's the real issue here? The post-PC era is going to be about making technology accessible to everyone. Is this bitterness maybe from the old guard who likes a world where they get to be the tech savvy computer genius their friends & family rely on? Or have they built their identity around being one of the privileged elite who are educated enough to do complex and interesting things with technology? Are they offended by the idea a company might choose not to design products specifically for their needs? There's definitely some deeper issues here. Also if Dylan was 20 today he would probably be more concerned about real world issues like climate change, human rights, the corporate take over of America, the ever growing inequality between the rich and poor, etc. I gotta believe his choice of which telephone to buy might be kinda far down the list of concerns.

Re: Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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I love that there is no reply after Steve's final question. What DOES this guy make?

I love how Steve does not really answer the tricky questions and only goes the "Apple is your savior" path. What makes me bitter is that Apple clearly gives a sh*t about porn or flash or whatever. Steve cares about the money, nothing more. And on this way he spits on the freedom of the users. But whatever.. i will again get downvoted because most people here feel attacked and will smash the little down arrow like a little kid that starts to cry when telling him that the teletubbies aren't real.

Re: Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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post #11

"By the way, what have you done that's so great? Do you create anything, or just criticise others work and belittle their motivations?" Burn.

Upvoted for hilarity factor. But from a logical standpoint this is really a bad argument. Writing often has a destructive purpose; what the person has "created" has very little to do with whether his criticism is valid or not.

It's just not optimally written, the major question should be:

Which application do you want to write that oh so really demands Flash and would give users better experience than going native?

I don't believe such an application exists!

Re: Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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post #10
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that really matters. Imagine someone makes a disease, and starts infecting people with it. Should you really dismiss the guy who says, "hey, this disease is bad, stop infecting people with it" simply because he doesn't make a vaccine? If anything, not making anything means you are less likely to be biased. Steve likes the iPad because he made it, not because it's intrinsically good. This biases his view…

Anyway, making something is good, but not making something doesn't mean you lose any credibility. It means you don't have credibility to start with.

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Re: Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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post #10
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that really matters. Imagine someone makes a disease, and starts infecting people with it. Should you really dismiss the guy who says, "hey, this disease is bad, stop infecting people with it" simply because he doesn't make a vaccine? If anything, not making anything means you are less likely to be biased. Steve likes the iPad because he made it, not because it's intrinsically good. This biases his view…

Anyway, making something is good, but not making something doesn't mean you lose any credibility. It means you don't have credibility to start with.

and what has Steve Jobs literally made himself as opposed to telling others what to make? Jobs has made less than probably most people on HN. Let's hear it for the countless thousands of engineers and designers who break their backs for Steve so he can be literally lord it over those who obviously aren't the great "maker" that he is.

Re: Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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post #2

Internet drama really has come a long way, hasn't it?

Indeed. Instead of arguing with Apple fanbois on your favorite forum, you can have the exact same inane and irrelevant argument with one of Apple's co-founders! And it even ends with namecalling and a personal attacks! I love it.

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Re: Steve Jobs to Valleywag at 2:20 AM: “Why are you so bitter?”

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoted for hilarity factor. But from a logical standpoint this is really a bad argument. Writing often has a destructive purpose; what the person has "created" has very little to do with whether his criticism is valid or not.

Yeah, it's also a pretty weird attitude. Certainly not one that scientifically or engineering-minded people should have. If someone alleges that your physics experiment has a problem, the proper answer isn't: "Oh yeah? Well I've got tenure and recently won a major award in my field. What kind of physics discoveries have you made lately?" Scientists actually lose a lot of reputation if they start getting that sort of…

But unlike a physics experiment, the decisions about open or closed platforms are moral. It's the equivalent of criticizing Gandhi for some minor detail of his fasting, to which he says "no, this is how I will fast, because this is my fasting and my movement". "Oh, and when have you ever started a movement? Or do you just criticize others?"
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