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Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by oculusthrift » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 7:17 PM UTC

redmaverick wrote: post #9

venomsnake wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there info about social status. Because Trump should be on his deathbed now and Obama must be already very very sick. And generally speaking successful politicians live long. Castro, Mugabe... And they did had a lot of adversaries. And won against the odds.

That was exactly what was going through my mind. Trump basically fought and won against the GOP establishment, the democrats, media and the pollsters and made it. He is still at war with the media and the world at large still hates him. He seems pretty unperturbed though.

it's the cocaine that makes him seem unperturbed

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by Nomentatus » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 7:25 PM UTC

Light. pRGCs. Remember that other research shows that conscientiousness clearly leads to longer life. So diligence turns out to be opposite to conscientiousness; I suspect because it leads to extended hours. If you blow your biological clock, your whole daily hormonal cycle goes with it.

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by kirse » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 7:43 PM UTC

Dr. James expects John Henryism can now be seen across Western democracies, wherever people are inculcated with a Protestant sense of personal responsibility and belief in self-reliance.

This is garbage. What actually is the source of all this unneeded suffering is when people choose to believe the all-pervasive Western media, movie, and music refrain that success is measured by material wealth and prosperity. The Protestant work ethic has nothing to do with an ego-fueled, greedy striving for material wealth at all costs.

The Protestant work ethic is centered on the notion that work is a holy vocation, ordained by God. This belief stems back to when God placed man in the garden of Eden to work the garden (Genesis 2:15). The Protestant work ethic is working simply for the sake of enjoying the gift of labor, which was deemed very good at the beginning. Further, the Protestant work ethic also makes room for a Sabbath day of rest, something often foreign to American successaholics.

Lastly, both Jesus (Mark 4:18-20) and Paul (1 Timothy 6:8-10) and Solomon (Proverbs 23:4) make it abundantly clear the sacrifices involved with worshiping wealth and material prosperity (i.e. the standard-issue "American Dream")

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by tomascot » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 7:44 PM UTC

venomsnake wrote: post #8

divbit wrote: post #2

TLDR (or at least what I took from it): Too much adversity produces stress that is bad for the body in that it ages your immune system much faster than it should. Sounds plausible.

Is there info about social status. Because Trump should be on his deathbed now and Obama must be already very very sick. And generally speaking successful politicians live long. Castro, Mugabe... And they did had a lot of adversaries. And won against the odds.

I guess a psychopath shouldn't show the same level of aging as "normal" people.

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by ysavir » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 7:45 PM UTC

I wonder if they confused the cause for the symptom.

Is reality that people who succeed against the odds are more likely to get sick, or that people who get sick frequently are more likely to fight against the odds?

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by leereeves » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 7:48 PM UTC

redmaverick wrote: post #9

venomsnake wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there info about social status. Because Trump should be on his deathbed now and Obama must be already very very sick. And generally speaking successful politicians live long. Castro, Mugabe... And they did had a lot of adversaries. And won against the odds.

That was exactly what was going through my mind. Trump basically fought and won against the GOP establishment, the democrats, media and the pollsters and made it. He is still at war with the media and the world at large still hates him. He seems pretty unperturbed though.

Trump seems to enjoy the fight; I wonder if he finds it stressful.

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by automatwon » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 7:55 PM UTC

The Trump administration could do much more to damage Americans’ health than just repeal the Affordable Care Act and leave people without access to hospitals and medications.

And somehow they manage to tie it back to Trump

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by segmondy » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 7:55 PM UTC

afterburner wrote: post #5

treyfitty wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important qualifier: (I only read up to the middle) the results were largely associated with African American subjects.

Yes, they kept saying the negative effects didn't happen to whites, so I'm not sure what the takeaway here is. Life is harder for black people?

Success is harder for black folks. If they don't leave the poorer areas they grew up in, did they really succeed? There's an increase risk of being a victim if you are richer than most in a poorer area. if they leave, they are socially isolated from their comfort zone and friends, labeled a sell out, have to conform to social norms of the new environment. In both cases friends and relatives constantly beg for money. The worry of losing it all is very real. Yes, life is harder for blacks in America. A black African that succeedes in Africa doesn't have as much stress.

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by Applejinx » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 8:05 PM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #16

redmaverick wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was exactly what was going through my mind. Trump basically fought and won against the GOP establishment, the democrats, media and the pollsters and made it. He is still at war with the media and the world at large still hates him. He seems pretty unperturbed though.

Trump seems to enjoy the fight; I wonder if he finds it stressful.

If you start with a massive inheritance, to some extent that will diminish the stress. Bathing in gold-plated bathtubs also cuts stress, and grabbing felines because you can.

One could argue that a black American would have great difficulty taking advantage of these stress reliefs.

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Post by jjawssd » Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 8:06 PM UTC

oculusthrift wrote: post #11

redmaverick wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was exactly what was going through my mind. Trump basically fought and won against the GOP establishment, the democrats, media and the pollsters and made it. He is still at war with the media and the world at large still hates him. He seems pretty unperturbed though.

it's the cocaine that makes him seem unperturbed

He would be dead by now if he did coke because coke accelerates cellular mechanisms for aging

For example, cocaine and alcohol addiction are associated with robust alterations in sleep architecture, including disturbances in slow-wave sleep and rapid eye movement (REM), which has implications for several age-related diseases, since sleep contributes to the homeostatic regulation of the neuroendocrine and immune systems.

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