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Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by dotnetisnotdead »

tritosomal wrote: post #10
dotnetisnotdead wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See this is the problem. Way too much groupthink nowadays. Do you honestly think Fox News is all fake? Hint: it's not. I'm a lifelong democrat but here's where last November's events hit me even harder than most: I know we earned it. We've been allowing CNN, MSNBC, etc to slam Trump left and right. Does he deserve it? Of course he does! The problem is they stand from an authority position with presumed partiality and…

If it actually mattered, then ISIS wouldn't exist, because we wouldn't have invaded Iraq for laughs. But Fox News was pretty cool about making sure there was popular support for the Iraq war, and plenty of it. Who cares about what happens anymore, when I'm supposed to each shit sandwiches like these.

You're absolutely right about that, they spun the wars pretty hard and the other media outlets criticized them... until BO took office.

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Post by tritosomal »

dotnetisnotdead wrote: post #11
tritosomal wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it actually mattered, then ISIS wouldn't exist, because we wouldn't have invaded Iraq for laughs. But Fox News was pretty cool about making sure there was popular support for the Iraq war, and plenty of it. Who cares about what happens anymore, when I'm supposed to each shit sandwiches like these.

You're absolutely right about that, they spun the wars pretty hard and the other media outlets criticized them... until BO took office.

Yes, when that happened the Fox News constituency took it about as hard as the rest of the world is taking Trump right now.

Indeed, the note of defeat in your average Fox News personality's voice was palpable.

They were washed up has-beens for the next few years and they knew it. In terms of a 24 hour news cycle that's eons.

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Post by kneel »

rdtsc wrote: post #4

For some reason I really like the phenomenon of "Fake News". It was an idea launched fairly quickly right after the election. It spread fast. All over the news. The media, and even Facebook and Google throwing their weight behind it. Nobody quite knew what it was. Was it just Lizard People news or did it include all news from Fox or just some. Was it just Macedonian teenagers making money or was CNN also Fake News. T…

The country went through mass hysteria after the election, first it was fake news, then russian hackers, then the usual blaming of demographs.

The news media was completely upended by Trump. He seemingly has a reality distortion field of his own. His first couple of days in office have been spent at war with the media, this is precedent being set. No doubt that Steve Bannon is pulling strings already.

I think we're going to see a brand new propaganda machine set up by his administration. It'll be interesting how they deal with the rapid fire groupthink that seems to patrol the internet nowadays. I definitely don't think this is comparable to anything that's happened before.

Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by dotnetisnotdead »

tritosomal wrote: post #10
dotnetisnotdead wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See this is the problem. Way too much groupthink nowadays. Do you honestly think Fox News is all fake? Hint: it's not. I'm a lifelong democrat but here's where last November's events hit me even harder than most: I know we earned it. We've been allowing CNN, MSNBC, etc to slam Trump left and right. Does he deserve it? Of course he does! The problem is they stand from an authority position with presumed partiality and…

If it actually mattered, then ISIS wouldn't exist, because we wouldn't have invaded Iraq for laughs. But Fox News was pretty cool about making sure there was popular support for the Iraq war, and plenty of it. Who cares about what happens anymore, when I'm supposed to each shit sandwiches like these.

Here is one thing Fox News does do: give us information about things the rest of them don't want to think about. Ever see what happens to coverage when a shooter/attacker is Muslim?

8:30am (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) MASS SHOOTER AT UNIVERSITY!!! FRONT PAGE!!

Information Released that suspect is Somali immigrant

8:40am (Fox News ) Police are saying shooter is Somali immigrant (CNN et al) Leaves up original page with update added that shooter may be a Somali immigrant

Information released it was a Somali immigrant, who is Muslim and praises ISIS, and used a knife

9:00am (Fox News) Information was released it was a Somali immigrant, who is Muslim and praises ISIS, and used a knife (CNN et al) Front page: Look! someone taught a dog how to water ski!!

The rest of the day Fox details the history of the suspect, pictures and supporting info and the others bury it completely.

This has happened numerous times over the last few months. Is this better for us?

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Post by fudgie »

dotnetisnotdead wrote: post #9
tritosomal wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean Fox News, though. Seriously the fakest of Fake News. Everything Rupert Murdoch has ever touched in his entire Mr. Burns life reeks worse than a Russian oligarch's toe jam, if you were curious about my opinion. And his children still live and breathe.

See this is the problem. Way too much groupthink nowadays. Do you honestly think Fox News is all fake? Hint: it's not. I'm a lifelong democrat but here's where last November's events hit me even harder than most: I know we earned it. We've been allowing CNN, MSNBC, etc to slam Trump left and right. Does he deserve it? Of course he does! The problem is they stand from an authority position with presumed partiality and…

You can watch a timelapse of the whole inauguration at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdantUf5tXg which shows that the image shared was correct.

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Post by AstralStorm »

dotnetisnotdead wrote: post #14
tritosomal wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it actually mattered, then ISIS wouldn't exist, because we wouldn't have invaded Iraq for laughs. But Fox News was pretty cool about making sure there was popular support for the Iraq war, and plenty of it. Who cares about what happens anymore, when I'm supposed to each shit sandwiches like these.

Here is one thing Fox News does do: give us information about things the rest of them don't want to think about. Ever see what happens to coverage when a shooter/attacker is Muslim? 8:30am (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) MASS SHOOTER AT UNIVERSITY!!! FRONT PAGE!! Information Released that suspect is Somali immigrant 8:40am (Fox News ) Police are saying shooter is Somali immigrant (CNN et al) Leaves up original page with updat…

Was it really especially notable or was it cheap news on inflammatory issue?

What are the consequences of such publicity for a known terrorist group?

I do not know the answers, probably nobody does, front page of a news site and a newspaper is a thing of tremendous value and not to be used lightly.

The more interesting part is what does not get reported by either side, which is the additional say 10 murders at the same time in other parts of the US.

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Post by cmurf »

kneel wrote: post #13
rdtsc wrote: post #4

For some reason I really like the phenomenon of "Fake News". It was an idea launched fairly quickly right after the election. It spread fast. All over the news. The media, and even Facebook and Google throwing their weight behind it. Nobody quite knew what it was. Was it just Lizard People news or did it include all news from Fox or just some. Was it just Macedonian teenagers making money or was CNN also Fake News. T…

The country went through mass hysteria after the election, first it was fake news, then russian hackers, then the usual blaming of demographs. The news media was completely upended by Trump. He seemingly has a reality distortion field of his own. His first couple of days in office have been spent at war with the media, this is precedent being set. No doubt that Steve Bannon is pulling strings already. I think we're g…

Confabulation.

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Post by starik36 »

The big media organizations have brought this onto themselves.

Take CNN for instance. The entire summer they beat the drums that the world is going to end if the Olympics are allowed to proceed in Brazil because of Zika. Way overblown. And then, after this propaganda exercise, they have the veracity to run an online poll to see how many people are in favor of pulling out of the Olympics.

And they do this with everything. Be it literally shilling for Hillary this entire year or anything else. They have a pretty uphill battle to make themselves trustworthy again.

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Post by jakeogh »

kneel wrote: post #13
rdtsc wrote: post #4

For some reason I really like the phenomenon of "Fake News". It was an idea launched fairly quickly right after the election. It spread fast. All over the news. The media, and even Facebook and Google throwing their weight behind it. Nobody quite knew what it was. Was it just Lizard People news or did it include all news from Fox or just some. Was it just Macedonian teenagers making money or was CNN also Fake News. T…

The country went through mass hysteria after the election, first it was fake news, then russian hackers, then the usual blaming of demographs. The news media was completely upended by Trump. He seemingly has a reality distortion field of his own. His first couple of days in office have been spent at war with the media, this is precedent being set. No doubt that Steve Bannon is pulling strings already. I think we're g…

All of that is true, except (I bet) your prediction at the end. The reason he is such a threat to the established power is because he directly threatens their propaganda system. It's not a given that Trump will replace it with his own. We (in the US) legalized domestic funding of disinformation years ago. Enlisted PSYOP people have been in the major news agencies for a long time.

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Post by dingo_bat »

pcunite wrote: post #2

When people voted last year, they did not vote with facts. They voted with beliefs. That is true because the published facts cannot be completely relied upon to make a decision. Why? People change! Hillary Clinton's 30 year public service work is a fact. What do you think of it? That is a belief.

> Hillary Clinton's 30 year public service work is a fact.

Is it? IMO all of it was cast into doubt the moment it came out that her foundation is just a front to get money from foreign interests.

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