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Do you prefer Angelist over LinkedIn for hiring?

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Re: Do you prefer Angelist over LinkedIn for hiring?

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Post by wayn3 »

gotofritz wrote: post #7
dbg31415 wrote: post #2

I really don't like either. I don't like LinkedIn because I got a bunch of spam candidates. I also dislike that it doesn't force job posters to disclose salary expectations before hand -- this is inefficient. (From an applicant perspective, I do like how easy LinkedIn makes snapping in a resume and submitting an application... but I have to wonder if making it fast to apply is really the best metric.) I dislike Angel…

As an applicant I don't give my salary expectations until the last moment. It would be foolish to.

its foolish to believe that applicants should have the right to hide their expectations indefinitely but expect employers to broadcast them to the world.

if you dont want asymmetry in the negotiation process, be a good sport.

Re: Do you prefer Angelist over LinkedIn for hiring?

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Post by pyb »

fsloth wrote: post #10
pyb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Job posters, not job seekers

Ah, my bad, my apologies. Sadly I can't delete my earlier comment so I'll leave it there for posterity to document my inability in reading comprehension.

You made a good point re. job seekers though :)

Re: Do you prefer Angelist over LinkedIn for hiring?

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Post by bsvalley »

It's all about where people hang out. From experience dealing with both I'd say you'll mostly find candidates with lots of experience on linkedin versus angel list.

AngelList = ideal for early stage startups (1 to 20 people)

Linkedin = Larger startups/companies(200 to +10000)

Re: Do you prefer Angelist over LinkedIn for hiring?

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Post by 1123581321 »

wayn3 wrote: post #11
gotofritz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an applicant I don't give my salary expectations until the last moment. It would be foolish to.

its foolish to believe that applicants should have the right to hide their expectations indefinitely but expect employers to broadcast them to the world. if you dont want asymmetry in the negotiation process, be a good sport.

Ideally, neither party would offer meaningless pre-interview/discovery numbers and both would be willing to accept nearly any number that made sense after agreeing on the likely quality of the applicant-candidate fit. In practice, neither of those things are true and an early number from a candidate is treated like a late-stage number should be. It's much easier to leave the number out than to try to fix that.

And as an employer, I'm certainly not required to give a number. "Market rate" is sufficient to start a conversation with a serious applicant.

Re: Do you prefer Angelist over LinkedIn for hiring?

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Post by Terr_ »

wayn3 wrote: post #11
gotofritz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an applicant I don't give my salary expectations until the last moment. It would be foolish to.

its foolish to believe that applicants should have the right to hide their expectations indefinitely but expect employers to broadcast them to the world. if you dont want asymmetry in the negotiation process, be a good sport.

First you must fix the asymmetry caused by how employers have a much better data for "what the market will bear."

That's the real reason why employers "should" be expected to name the first figure. It makes the relationship less exploitative.

Re: Do you prefer Angelist over LinkedIn for hiring?

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Post by kahnpro »

I have the complete opposite experience with both. I live in Montreal. On LinkedIn, recruiters are spamming me weekly, so when I was looking for a job I just picked the one with the most human sounding message. I had the first job offer one week later.

On AngelList I was applying to companies myself and did two interviews with locally based startups. One of which was basically hipster central and turned me down after the interview because their highest developer pay was lower than my previous salary. The second one I interviewed at was Hopper, which I abandoned because their interview process is too long and drawn out for a startup. If I wanted this experience of probable rejection after months of interviewing, I would just apply to Google.

The only impression I got was that LinkedIn lead me to real businesses who have an immediate need for devs. AngelList has startups with an inflated sense of self-importance who wish they were in San Francisco.

Re: Do you prefer Angelist over LinkedIn for hiring?

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Post by shinamee »

kahnpro wrote: post #16

I have the complete opposite experience with both. I live in Montreal. On LinkedIn, recruiters are spamming me weekly, so when I was looking for a job I just picked the one with the most human sounding message. I had the first job offer one week later. On AngelList I was applying to companies myself and did two interviews with locally based startups. One of which was basically hipster central and turned me down after…

I agree totally, one thing I've noticed lately from AngelList is that your request gets accepted and emails are shared but you never hear from them again or hear things like "I thought you're in the US".

I'm having a feeling this might be another way of collecting emails

Re: Do you prefer Angelist over LinkedIn for hiring?

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Post by MrLeap »

1123581321 wrote: post #14
wayn3 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its foolish to believe that applicants should have the right to hide their expectations indefinitely but expect employers to broadcast them to the world. if you dont want asymmetry in the negotiation process, be a good sport.

Ideally, neither party would offer meaningless pre-interview/discovery numbers and both would be willing to accept nearly any number that made sense after agreeing on the likely quality of the applicant-candidate fit. In practice, neither of those things are true and an early number from a candidate is treated like a late-stage number should be. It's much easier to leave the number out than to try to fix that. And as…

I assume market rate seafood is going to be overly priced, I assume market rate salaries are going to be middling and uninspiring. I wonder why I assume the phrase "market rate" is a ticket to frown town?
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