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Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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It's free market, isn't it? Take it or leave it - nobody forces you to use Google ad network. ;). /s At this point I'm convinced that nothing but regulation can make those big companies - on which our digital lives are more and more dependent - to provide even a modicum of customer support. Right now they don't care, because they simply don't have to - a HN headline every other week doesn't create measurable losses,…

I never really understand why comments like this get downvoted. There seems to be love for the free market. That is until the free market goes against what I want. Then the free market sucks! What if FARK was another type of business. Say it is the corner 7-11[1]. They have been there for 18 years, and their major source of customers was the big factory next door. Factory decides to either move / redesign / whatever,…

You raise a good point, but I start to have a feeling people read my comment as a defense of Google and free markets. It's not. The opening sentence was meant sarcastically.

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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Isn't there enough competition within the ad industry to just switch to a different provider?

Nope. There really isn't, or if there is, it's niche dependent. To diversify away from Google, I've tried other ad providers and struggled to make 20% as much...

Header bidding will begin to cut into Google when it becomes more widespread.

https://adexchanger.com/the-sell-sider/the-strategic-implica...

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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It's free market, isn't it? Take it or leave it - nobody forces you to use Google ad network. ;). /s At this point I'm convinced that nothing but regulation can make those big companies - on which our digital lives are more and more dependent - to provide even a modicum of customer support. Right now they don't care, because they simply don't have to - a HN headline every other week doesn't create measurable losses,…

Because the theoretical "free market" is nothing like what actually happens in practice. The Economist had a great writeup on this a few days ago [1], but the short of it is that Google is the definitive market leader, with almost no one in second place. Moving to a different network is simply accepting that your ads will perform worse.

Additionally, responding to outright fraud by Google with the statement "move elsewhere" is a pretty incredible admission of the power they have. They can abuse their near-monopoly of the market with almost no fear of reprisal.

[1]: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2017/01/ec...

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EDIT: Just saw your below comment that you were trying to be sarcastic. Ah well, it was apparently lost on me.

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never really understand why comments like this get downvoted. There seems to be love for the free market. That is until the free market goes against what I want. Then the free market sucks! What if FARK was another type of business. Say it is the corner 7-11[1]. They have been there for 18 years, and their major source of customers was the big factory next door. Factory decides to either move / redesign / whatever,…

You raise a good point, but I start to have a feeling people read my comment as a defense of Google and free markets. It's not. The opening sentence was meant sarcastically.

These days, you can never tell for sure.

Poe's Law strikes again!

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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It's free market, isn't it? Take it or leave it - nobody forces you to use Google ad network. ;). /s At this point I'm convinced that nothing but regulation can make those big companies - on which our digital lives are more and more dependent - to provide even a modicum of customer support. Right now they don't care, because they simply don't have to - a HN headline every other week doesn't create measurable losses,…

Because the theoretical "free market" is nothing like what actually happens in practice. The Economist had a great writeup on this a few days ago [1], but the short of it is that Google is the definitive market leader, with almost no one in second place. Moving to a different network is simply accepting that your ads will perform worse. Additionally, responding to outright fraud by Google with the statement "move els…

Indeed, and that is precisely my point.

And this applies not just to Google - but also to Apple, Amazon, Facebook, and probably few others, as proven by the amount of such stories popping up on HN in the past few years.

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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>Our ads were turned off for almost five weeks - completely and totally their mistake Who is running your campaigns that they can be disabled for more than a month without anyone noticing?!

They obviously mean it took that long to get a resolve.

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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>Our ads were turned off for almost five weeks - completely and totally their mistake Who is running your campaigns that they can be disabled for more than a month without anyone noticing?!

They mean Google disabled the ad serving on their site, not ad campaigns. Despite rapid followups by fark, Google's process to resume took that long.

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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Woah, Fark still exists and looks almost exactly how I remember it 15 years ago

My reaction as well! Even the label graphics (eg Florida, Assine) are exactly the same. It's funny because I first learned about DrudgeReport from Fark and that site hasn't had a redesign in 15 years (or ever) either.
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