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Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by chroem- »

etchalon wrote: post #6
vkazanov wrote: post #3

So, Clinton was corrupted, and somebody noticed it, and it is Russians who are to blame? Huh.

I think that's missing the point. Russia, a state-actor, coordinated an cyber-attack on an American political party. The results of that attack (which weren't particular interesting) are secondary to the attack itself. The Russians are "to blame" because they're the ones who committed the action.

>The results of that attack (which weren't particular interesting) are secondary to the attack itself

One could argue that the documented effort to override public opinion in the primary election is quite interesting by itself. I suppose you could also claim that it's uninteresting, but that doesn't change the fact that it happened.

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by toehead2000 »

So is this how US politics will be from now on? Every president spends their lame duck period doing everything possible to sabotage the next guy (if they're the other party)? I seem to recall GWB having a bit more decorum than Obama here but maybe I'm wrong. Is the political climate really more poisonous than ever or does it just seem that way?

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by empath75 »

vkazanov wrote: post #3

So, Clinton was corrupted, and somebody noticed it, and it is Russians who are to blame? Huh.

What do you think would have been in RNC and Trump emails if they had been released? I'm sure they'd all have been talking about puppies and unicorns.

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by empath75 »

vetinari wrote: post #10
legohead wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you upset that he is accusing Russia of cyberattacks, or that he's doing something about it?

A good start would be to provide some evidence. For now, it's the same 'trust us, the Iraqis have WMDs' again.

That report is due in january.

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by etchalon »

chroem- wrote: post #12
etchalon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's missing the point. Russia, a state-actor, coordinated an cyber-attack on an American political party. The results of that attack (which weren't particular interesting) are secondary to the attack itself. The Russians are "to blame" because they're the ones who committed the action.

>The results of that attack (which weren't particular interesting) are secondary to the attack itself One could argue that the documented effort to override public opinion in the primary election is quite interesting by itself. I suppose you could also claim that it's uninteresting, but that doesn't change the fact that it happened.

That documentation does not exist. You could argue it is "hinted at" in the emails made public, but cannot argue it is documented or proven.

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by finid »

So 35 Russian diplomats have been given 72 hours to leave the country, and 2 of their properties will be closed - one in DC and the other in San Francisco.

Well, if history is any guide, expect Russia to return the favor.

Question is, how long will they wait before announcing that 35 American diplomats have 72 hours to leave Russia?

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