Live data from Hacker News

Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

hbr.org

11–20 of 70 posts

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

#11

This is an important topic, but as often happens, the article just treads the same old themes. It's looking for answers in the usual places, when it's not clear the answers are there. First of all, Asian Americans are still overrepresented in tech leadership positions. Just less than they are overrepresented in tech positions in general. So looking for a negative (discriminatory) effect may be the wrong thing - we ma…

>But just like height might explain women's relatively low leadership rates, it might explain Asian American's, as they tend to be shorter.

If anything it would be more probable that the causation goes the other way arround.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

#12
post #4

I'm not a business leader by any means so keep that in mind. I'm an Asian, and I don't see this as a problem tbh. American leaders have, historically, tend to be white men (think the first 49 presidents). We're definitely starting to see diversity in leadership positions. Obama, Sundar Pichai of Google, Satya Nadella of Microsoft, Yishan Wong/Ellen Pao of Reddit are some examples that come to my mind. Even Ellen Pao,…

> Even Ellen Pao, who received flak for some reddit drama, was never criticized for being an Asian female.

Yes she was. They referred to her as "Chairman Pao" as well as other racist and sexist slurs which I do not care to repeat.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

#13

This is an important topic, but as often happens, the article just treads the same old themes. It's looking for answers in the usual places, when it's not clear the answers are there. First of all, Asian Americans are still overrepresented in tech leadership positions. Just less than they are overrepresented in tech positions in general. So looking for a negative (discriminatory) effect may be the wrong thing - we ma…

> "Asian Americans are still overrepresented in tech leadership positions."

No, the article clearly states that they are under-represented. It cites 2015 report on diversity looking at 5 Silicon Valley companies: Google, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, LinkedIn, and Yahoo. The report finds that, "Asians and Asian Americans are well represented in lower-level positions but underrepresented at management and executive levels. Asian Americans (including Indians) are 27% of the workers in these companies, but only 19% of managers and 14% of executives. In contrast, whites represented 62% of professionals and 80% of executives in these firms."

> "We know that height is a significant factor in earning and in particular in getting to leadership positions. It's of comparable effect to the gender gap..."

Height being a "confounding variable" in discrimination against both Asians and women seems like an interesting theory, but it doesn't fit the facts from the article :"This is worse than the glass ceiling effect that’s been identified for women; in these five firms, men are 42% more likely to have an executive role than women, and white men and women are 154% more likely than Asians to hold an executive role. And Asians represent only 1.5% of corporate officer positions in the Fortune 500"

I am also reluctant to accept your stereotype of "short Asian men" (South and East Asian) without seeing any data specifically on the distribution of heights of American Asian males versus American white males. I suspect that the difference is not as large as you make it out be.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

#14
post #12
post #4

I'm not a business leader by any means so keep that in mind. I'm an Asian, and I don't see this as a problem tbh. American leaders have, historically, tend to be white men (think the first 49 presidents). We're definitely starting to see diversity in leadership positions. Obama, Sundar Pichai of Google, Satya Nadella of Microsoft, Yishan Wong/Ellen Pao of Reddit are some examples that come to my mind. Even Ellen Pao,…

> Even Ellen Pao, who received flak for some reddit drama, was never criticized for being an Asian female. Yes she was. They referred to her as "Chairman Pao" as well as other racist and sexist slurs which I do not care to repeat.

Wasn't she on the board of Reddit? Making her a chairman (or is the PC way to say that chairwoman and you're trying to make this a sex issue)

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

#15
Take a look at the demographics of the Ivy League and the other schools in the traditional pipeline to leadership and power. Give it twenty years.

This will also start getting well into the meat of the second and third generations of those who came to the US after the relaxation of exclusionary immigration laws[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_immigration_to_the_Unite...

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

#16
America has this weird obsession with race and dividing everything by race. Since when "Asian" is a race? It's so weird that people in US need to choose their race on a form when applying for college or even for a job, or on a census. So you can't be just american, you need to be Asian american or something american, like being american is not enough to constitute a nationality or an identity.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

#17
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even Ellen Pao, who received flak for some reddit drama, was never criticized for being an Asian female. Yes she was. They referred to her as "Chairman Pao" as well as other racist and sexist slurs which I do not care to repeat.

Wasn't she on the board of Reddit? Making her a chairman (or is the PC way to say that chairwoman and you're trying to make this a sex issue)

Ok, fine, here is a link to a comment from a year ago that is both racist and sexist: https://www.reddit.com/r/opieandanthony/comments/36mx0n/redd...

The Chairman Pao nickname was used to draw comparisons between Ellen Pao and Chairman Mao. Yeah, not racist at all.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

#19
post #7

Senior leadership is a club. People like to work with their friends, and the qualification to be a high level person in many situations has low correlation to skill. Once you get in the club, you move up. I think South Asian asians do better here as many have excellent language skills. East Asians have a disadvantage there, and cultural friction makes it hard for "ABC" chinese. IMO it's less a glass ceiling for asian…

> cultural friction makes it hard for "ABC" chinese

Can you clarify what you mean by "cultural friction"? I always thought that "ABCs" and "ABCDs" (Indians born in the US) were better at integrating with workplaces here than those coming from Asia?

Post reply on HN