The article was very confusing to me. Does it really mean if I get the standard download that might have some licensed components (Flight recorder for example) I'm on the hook even if I don't enable/use those features? The VM even has flag for unlocking commercial feature so that doesn't make sense. Or is it the fact that people are using commercial features thinking that all the free downloaded bits are free, that s…
Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
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Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#12Probably a naive question, but where does this put open source projects that use Java? Tomcat springs to mind ...
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#13It offers no meaningful content except for this single sentence:
"The Register has learned of one customer in retail with 80,000 PCs which was informed by Oracle it was in breach on Java."
There are no further details about why this customer was "targeted" or the nature of their licensing deal with Oracle.
I would think after all these years people would know that (a) the Register is a well-known source of fake news/clickbait/misleading headlines (b) Java is open-source (full-stop) and wholly free software and (c) products like "Java SE Advanced Suite" have nothing to do with the Java language or the JDK. (Though I can see why (c) would be confusing, though Sun started this product of calling everything Java XXX (tm).)
It's a shame that such an article gets written to feed advertisers useless clicks but it's really disappointing to see it on the hacker news front page.
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#14Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#15Going to the Oracle Java site the menu says:
Java SE
Java EE
Java ME
Java SE Support
Java SE Advanced & Suite
Java Embedded
Java DB
Web Tier
Java Card
Java TV
IANAL The article seems to be about "Java SE Advanced & Suite" including JRockit VM and other advanced tools.The license on the Java SE download page
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde...
here
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/...
does not include the words
intelligent systems
general purpose computing
so it's unclear of what download TheRegister is talking about.[Edit] After downloading the Windows JDK the installer says "The Java Mission Control ... is now available as a part of the JDK". There is an app "Java Mission Control" after installation. There is no click through EULA during installation. There is also no linked license in the app which I could find.
Is the term in the click-through EULA of the installer?
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#16Java cannot die soon enough.
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#17Bryan Cantrill has called Oracle the North Star of Rage - whenever you are confused or lost, you can realign your coordinate system relative to Oracle. I have never had to deal with Oracle, but every time I read something about them in the news, I think of of that nice quote and tend to agree a little more with Mr. Cantrill. On the other hand, I wonder why they do this? This can only hurt Java. I would imagine some c…
because they can. because it makes money. because it works. because the people who choose to base their entire technology stack on proprietary software are used to paying exorbitant fees for stuff that's available for free because they don't have any confidence in their own ability to solve problems.
i mean, the real question is: why wouldn't they do this? everytime i see ellison's megayacht parked in santa monica bay when i drive up pch i know exactly why.
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#18What a bad article, unclear contents and based on only one source - which by the way wants to sell his services. Going to the Oracle Java site the menu says: Java SE Java EE Java ME Java SE Support Java SE Advanced & Suite Java Embedded Java DB Web Tier Java Card Java TV IANAL The article seems to be about "Java SE Advanced & Suite" including JRockit VM and other advanced tools. The license on the Java SE download pa…
"Java SE is free for what Oracle defines as “general purpose computing”...But it is customers in these general-purpose settings getting hit by LMS. The reason is there’s no way to separate the paid Java SE sub products from the free Java SE umbrella at download as Oracle doesn’t offer separate installation software"
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#19What a bad article, unclear contents and based on only one source - which by the way wants to sell his services. Going to the Oracle Java site the menu says: Java SE Java EE Java ME Java SE Support Java SE Advanced & Suite Java Embedded Java DB Web Tier Java Card Java TV IANAL The article seems to be about "Java SE Advanced & Suite" including JRockit VM and other advanced tools. The license on the Java SE download pa…
No. Did you actually read the entire article? "Java SE is free for what Oracle defines as “general purpose computing”...But it is customers in these general-purpose settings getting hit by LMS. The reason is there’s no way to separate the paid Java SE sub products from the free Java SE umbrella at download as Oracle doesn’t offer separate installation software"
"Java SE is free but Java SE Advanced Desktop, Advanced and Suite are not. Java SE Suite, for example, costs $300 per named user with a support bill of $66; there’s a per-processor option of $15,000 with a $3,300 support bill"
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#201. Is this only Windows? OS X?
2. Which download is this in particular?
3. What if applications like IntelliJ Idea bring their own JDK?