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ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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The last time we had ARM Windows machines, we got the Surface RT. I still have one of these that I occasionally bring to meetings to fool around and maybe put a ticket in with. It is not a great piece of equipment...

It generally takes Microsoft 3 tries to get something right. Unfortunately their next ARM device will only be #2.

I'd say Windows CE on ARM devices was attempt #1.

Lumia and Surface 1 and 2 were #2.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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> First, Qualcomm’s System on a Chip (Soc) designs have improved so dramatically in the past four years that their performance rivals that of mainstream Intel Core chipsets for PCs.

Hah!

> And even better, Microsoft has developed an emulation technology that allows Win32 applications to launch and run unmodified on ARM-based PCs. And to do so with what I am assured is excellent performance.

I don't believe it.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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We'll see. Full Windows x86 emulation will likely be slow. It will be a harder sell the second time around, too as Windows RT burned a lot of people, and fewer trust Microsoft than before.

Nearly all of their target market would be unfamiliar with Windows RT.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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> ... as such, it will be late 2017 or sometime next year ...

Well, that could be clearer.

> Perhaps Surface phone isn’t a phone in the traditional sense. Perhaps it is, instead, just a new kind of PC with a small—for PCs; I’m hearing 6-inches—screen.

This sounds a lot like what others have been doing / try to do for a while now with Android devices (albeit not hugely successfully ... yet). So it's not surprisingly that Microsoft is considering jumping on that bandwagon.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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The last time we had ARM Windows machines, we got the Surface RT. I still have one of these that I occasionally bring to meetings to fool around and maybe put a ticket in with. It is not a great piece of equipment...

Are you speaking just of the software or does the hardware have issues as well?

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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Download my great free Windows program now! Please choose:

    EXE installer     32-bit x86   64-bit x64   32-bit ARM   64-bit ARM
    MSI installer     32-bit x86   64-bit x64   32-bit ARM   64-bit ARM
    Portable Zip      32-bit x86   64-bit x64   32-bit ARM   64-bit ARM

(Download my great free macOS program now!

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)

This is already a usability problem, and adding 2 more target chipsets makes it worse.

Given both bandwidth and smart programmers, couldn't Microsoft make an installer creator that works on all the above architectures and installs the right version of the program? No problem shipping 4x too much code right - most installers that are big at all, are big because of assets, not code size.

I guess politics vs the Windows Store team would prevent this from happening within Microsoft, but given how awful the Windows Store is and how it still can't be used to download and install boring oldschool desktop applications, this is a usability nightmare waiting to happen - despite the obvious benefits of not being locked into a single chipset architecture anymore.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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The last time we had ARM Windows machines, we got the Surface RT. I still have one of these that I occasionally bring to meetings to fool around and maybe put a ticket in with. It is not a great piece of equipment...

Are you speaking just of the software or does the hardware have issues as well?

Both, in my experience. The touch screen sometimes works with the keyboard attached, and sometimes doesn't. The keyboard often doesn't work if it has been disconnected without the old-school "splatter chicken blood and livers about" kind of computermancy.

Of course, the software is a mess, because nobody has bothered to build versions for RT in years, and none of the regular x86/x64 Windows software is compatible with RT.

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