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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by BoorishBears »

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?).

The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it.

I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to access a DB of posts and edit it without triggering any sort of edit marker.

I'm also sure if that process exists a CEO is someone who could probably make it happen, and in fact in some (most?) places someone lower in the chain of command can probably make it happen.

Spez's actions harm himself more than users of the site. By confirming what any technically minded person probably already knew (you can edit raw data backing something like a post), he gave the masses a new source of drama any time something they don't like appears on the site.

The sensible amongst us should be above childish drama like this.

What is there on /r/Golang that they expect to see edited?

If their qualm is political instead of practical then the users themselves should leave Reddit, and not burn down the entire village on their way out.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by fortytw2 »

As I've said before, there are more than enough willing community members to moderate the subreddit in the absence of the Go team. No reason for it to have been brought up like this, instead of a simple "I don't like reddit anymore, so I'm deleting my account and here's why"

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by vostok »

mrweasel wrote: post #3

I get their point, but I also think that a large part of the reason that people are using the Golang subreddit is Google Groups. If the Go team could just abandon Google Groups as the main forum for discussing Go, then just maybe there wouldn't be a need for the subreddit. I know that some people like Google Groups, but there's at least an equally large group that absolutely hate it. Personally I find it to be such a…

I'm not too up to date on this. What is your preferred alternative to Google Groups? Mailman?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by justin_vanw »

yxhuvud wrote: post #4

While the behaviour of the Reddit CEO was more than a little bit immature and short-sighted, closing down a functioning community in response seems almost as stupid. If they try to shut it down, then the community at Reddit will create a version of it that is not closed down.

I'm not a /r/golang user, but I think this is a political statement of 'we will not tolerate the abuse of users by people entrusted with their data', which I think is fair.

Maybe they should just call for the CEO to leave or something.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by nicpottier »

shurcooL wrote: post #8
mrweasel wrote: post #3

I get their point, but I also think that a large part of the reason that people are using the Golang subreddit is Google Groups. If the Go team could just abandon Google Groups as the main forum for discussing Go, then just maybe there wouldn't be a need for the subreddit. I know that some people like Google Groups, but there's at least an equally large group that absolutely hate it. Personally I find it to be such a…

Yep. Its user experience is straight from the 90s. Can't edit your messages to fix typos, can't do pleasant and friendly formatting with preview, and don't even get me started on controls over notifications.

It's a mailing list.. you want it to be a forum, but that's not the point or what it is meant to be.

Some of us prefer mailing lists and interacting over email in our preferred client over having to go to various websites and deal with their varying user interfaces.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by AlexeyBrin »

Closing a thriving community just because an admin feels some moral imperative to do it is just short sided.

If you don't like Reddit, write a blog post, blow some steam, delete your Reddit account, be as critical as you wish, but don't kill a community just because you can.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Sphax »

centizen wrote: post #2

As mentioned by others in the thread, deleting it would just make it possible for someone to take it over the open it again. Setting the community to private not only solves the issue, but it allows them to bring it back in its current state at any time if they wish to in the future.

What issue does it solve exactly? the users want to keep using it, only Brad and a couple others want to kill it.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by heroprotagonist »

So.. here's the thing. I think that spez did everyone a favor by editing those user comments.

We know that politicians and corporations game the system already with fake accounts, presumably as a tool for manipulating public opinion. We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. It would require a very small tweak to manipulate things from the server side.

Given that, users should _not_ have been placing any trust in the sanctity of the results they see to tell them how the hive actually thinks or even if the linked source is accurate. People need to learn to question the motives of what's presented to them. I'm not saying to automatically distrust everything, just to look past whatever spin is put on an article and look at the primary sources.

The fact that someone has the capability and willingness to edit comments was so shocking to some people is a sign that these surprised people needed this kind of a wake-up call.

We can speculate, due to the missing warrant canary, that the government has, or has had, at least one user under surveillance from the system. This is very public proof that even the content of comments can be manipulated, which might help some poor schmuck out one day when his 'anonymous' internet comment gets misconstrued and comes back to bite him.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Sphax »

atroyn wrote: post #10

This reaction seems a little overwrought, but then again the frequency of this kind of drama generated by reddit really seems to be pathological. What is it about a critical mass of people in one place on the web that causes these kinds of behaviors?

It's Brad and a couple of others who are to blame here, the golang subreddit didn't do shit to deserve being killed.
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