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Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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People keep talking about how Trump's election was about winning the white working class. We'll see how interested he is in their right to fair wages.

Trump's not even in office and he's getting blamed already. This was a judge who made the ruling. Not Trump.

Plus the judge was nominated by Obama.

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I don't know how businesses get away without paying overtime. My life is finite. My work hours are finite. If you want more hours out of me, you pay for them.

I don't know. I kind of like being exempt. If I get my work done early and I decide the take the afternoon off, my paycheck is the same. That said I'm lucky and my company freely comps additional paid time off when I start working more than 40 hours per week.

In most companies I have seen it's a one way street. You have to work longer if you don't get your work done. And if you finish early you get more work.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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This is shit. The lower limit for salary hasn't changed for years, and has not tracked inflation. As a post-doc this would have probably really bummed me out if it wasn't for the fact my union had already signed a new contract with the university for new pay raises based on the new Obama administration rules. Yay union.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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I don't know how businesses get away without paying overtime. My life is finite. My work hours are finite. If you want more hours out of me, you pay for them.

Businesses pay for the overtime, but not at 150% of the base rate.

People covered by these exemptions are often not paid overtime at all, as the Fair Labor Standards Act does not require any overtime pay if you fall under the exemptions.

These exemptions are meant to cover people in certain job roles where output is measured by work delivered, not hours spent, and where the person has independent responsibility for controlling their working hours to certain extent and were overtime as such is in theory voluntary.

The threshold in question exists to make it harder to "define away" overtime pay obligations by pretending a role is more independent than it is, by connecting it to pay levels that makes it more likely that the role does in fact meet the intent of the law. The old/current levels makes a total mockery of that

It's worth noting that this change also follows a change in 2004 that went the other way - redefining large groups of previously non-exempt lower level supervisors etc. as exempt, drastically cutting their rights to overtime pay.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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People keep talking about how Trump's election was about winning the white working class. We'll see how interested he is in their right to fair wages.

Trump's not even in office and he's getting blamed already. This was a judge who made the ruling. Not Trump.

That wasn't blaming him - it was saying it will be interesting to see how he reacts to this. He's got time to whine about a theater, surely this will also get an angry tweet.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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People keep talking about how Trump's election was about winning the white working class. We'll see how interested he is in their right to fair wages.

Trump's not even in office and he's getting blamed already. This was a judge who made the ruling. Not Trump.

He's not getting blamed. The above commenter is simply pointing out that this will serve as a good test as to whether he will come out in favour of working class people or business.

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People keep talking about how Trump's election was about winning the white working class. We'll see how interested he is in their right to fair wages.

Trump's not even in office and he's getting blamed already. This was a judge who made the ruling. Not Trump.

He already had expressed interest in changing the new Obama ruling. FYI, that was mentioned in TFA

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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People keep talking about how Trump's election was about winning the white working class. We'll see how interested he is in their right to fair wages.

Trump's not even in office and he's getting blamed already. This was a judge who made the ruling. Not Trump.

The article does mention that in August Trump promised to roll back the regulation.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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I don't know how businesses get away without paying overtime. My life is finite. My work hours are finite. If you want more hours out of me, you pay for them.

I don't know. I kind of like being exempt. If I get my work done early and I decide the take the afternoon off, my paycheck is the same. That said I'm lucky and my company freely comps additional paid time off when I start working more than 40 hours per week.

But that indicates that you are exempt because you are in a type of role where you truly do have genuine control of your own working hours.

The rule in question protects those people where their control is often purely fictional by setting a lower bar.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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People keep talking about how Trump's election was about winning the white working class. We'll see how interested he is in their right to fair wages.

Trump's not even in office and he's getting blamed already. This was a judge who made the ruling. Not Trump.

I think this entire thread is diverging from the article, but the article does quote Trump:

   Trump has vowed to roll back Obama regulations that he 
   says are hurting the economy. He expressed support for
   changing the overtime rule during the presidential
   campaign.
   
   “Rolling back the overtime regulation is just one 
   example of the many regulations that need to be 
   addressed to do that,” Trump told Circa in August. “We 
   would love to see a delay or a carve-out of sorts for 
   our small business owners."
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