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Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by jandrese »

vvanders wrote: post #3

Not sure what the author is on about, last I checked almost every company offered a wifi adapter for their cameras. Heck, with my 6D I can share directly to my phone and post to social media just like you can with a smart phone camera. The thing is for the stuff I want to do, I spend at least as much time in post and doing that on a smartphone would be a huge pain.

I'm wondering if he is advocating for LTE modems in phones, so he can pull a picture up on the display, see that it looks passable, and hit the "send to my editor" button.

Or maybe just phone integration so he can send the photos to his phone where he can stuff them in an email and send them to the editor.

His primary complaint seems to be getting scooped by teenagers with their smartphones, but I don't see how anything that gets classified as a "workflow" can beat hitting the "post to Facebook" button 2 seconds after you take the picture.

Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by miahi »

vvanders wrote: post #3

Not sure what the author is on about, last I checked almost every company offered a wifi adapter for their cameras. Heck, with my 6D I can share directly to my phone and post to social media just like you can with a smart phone camera. The thing is for the stuff I want to do, I spend at least as much time in post and doing that on a smartphone would be a huge pain.

Yes, but other cameras don't have that. And it's not really about editing on smartphones. My 7D mk II is great for sports photography, but now sports means instant publish or don't shoot at all - most sports photographers now have somebody at their back with a laptop, editing in 30 seconds after the shutter stopped and sending the result to the publication website. I can't do that with my "sports" camera without investing quite a lot in an original wifi adapter or using an Eyefi.

Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by wmf »

vaishaksuresh wrote: post #7
bb88 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but for some cameras it is $900. http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/wireless/w...

Even if we ignore the wifi feature, most cameras let you connect directly the computer and transfer images. you don't need SD card slot or a dedicated card reader. I have a full frame camera and the raw images are ~30 MB. I wouldn't want to transfer 32GB of data over wifi anyway.

I think the author is imagining going from shutter press to a CMS or social media in seconds. Any workflow that involves a computer at all has already lost.

If cameras can produce JPEGs presumably they should be able to produce low-res JPEGs.

Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by jdmichal »

jandrese wrote: post #11
vvanders wrote: post #3

Not sure what the author is on about, last I checked almost every company offered a wifi adapter for their cameras. Heck, with my 6D I can share directly to my phone and post to social media just like you can with a smart phone camera. The thing is for the stuff I want to do, I spend at least as much time in post and doing that on a smartphone would be a huge pain.

I'm wondering if he is advocating for LTE modems in phones, so he can pull a picture up on the display, see that it looks passable, and hit the "send to my editor" button. Or maybe just phone integration so he can send the photos to his phone where he can stuff them in an email and send them to the editor. His primary complaint seems to be getting scooped by teenagers with their smartphones, but I don't see how anyth…

Cameras that integrate well with phones already exist. I have a Sony camera that can:

* Wirelessly transfer images to my phone using wifi-direct.

* Do so with a tap, as it has an embedded NFC tag.

* Be remotely controlled by my phone, including a laggy but usable viewfinder display on my phone screen. This mode also automatically transfers pictures taken to the phone.

Partially reposted from: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12756662

Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by djsumdog »

bb88 wrote: post #5
vvanders wrote: post #3

Not sure what the author is on about, last I checked almost every company offered a wifi adapter for their cameras. Heck, with my 6D I can share directly to my phone and post to social media just like you can with a smart phone camera. The thing is for the stuff I want to do, I spend at least as much time in post and doing that on a smartphone would be a huge pain.

Yes, but for some cameras it is $900. http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/wireless/w...

My Sony a6000 has Wi-fi built in. It's a bit of a pain to set it up (entering a password via a control wheel), but it's there and you could create a workflow with it from Camera to Laptop to your Editor during an event.

Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by 0xCMP »

It's always kind of sad when they people who know their field the best are being disrupted because if they could just accept the ways things are changing they could create better products than those they're disrupted with. So many "better" products die because of inability of leadership to accept this quickly enough.

Phone cameras will continue to get better. Phones will continue to have more space (You can get an iPhone with 256GB now right?). They will have more compute power. They have access to the network to do serious post-processing (does someone remember that company which did this on-demand with racks of Mac Minis?). The threats are real to their companies and products.

And yet, I bet if they took the time to understand that problem they could blow away phones because phones just aren't specialized cameras like the ones they're able to make.

Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by komali2 »

vvanders wrote: post #3

Not sure what the author is on about, last I checked almost every company offered a wifi adapter for their cameras. Heck, with my 6D I can share directly to my phone and post to social media just like you can with a smart phone camera. The thing is for the stuff I want to do, I spend at least as much time in post and doing that on a smartphone would be a huge pain.

You can get an SD card with wifi connectivity. The cops in my last city had them in their dash cams wired up to automatically upload when they returned to the station at the end of the day.

I had a fun little workflow when I traveled where I'd have a micro SD in a SD adapter plugged into my camera. When I got to a hostel, I'd plug the micro SD into my phone connected through wifi and upload to flickr and whatnot. I felt like a cyberpunky travel journalist, it was fun.

Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by 0xCMP »

0xCMP wrote: post #16

It's always kind of sad when they people who know their field the best are being disrupted because if they could just accept the ways things are changing they could create better products than those they're disrupted with. So many "better" products die because of inability of leadership to accept this quickly enough. Phone cameras will continue to get better. Phones will continue to have more space (You can get an iP…

Oh and you know who has adapted to all this surprisingly well? Adobe.

They not only have apps on phones that link with Creative Cloud but they've designed and released free apps which are superior to many of the social media content creation apps out there. They're able to create quality videos and images to post on any social media platform using any images in lightroom or photos (apple).

That's an excellent case of a company being ahead of the curve and actually using their knowledge to build the better products instead of being disrupted.

Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by baq »

wmf wrote: post #13
vaishaksuresh wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if we ignore the wifi feature, most cameras let you connect directly the computer and transfer images. you don't need SD card slot or a dedicated card reader. I have a full frame camera and the raw images are ~30 MB. I wouldn't want to transfer 32GB of data over wifi anyway.

I think the author is imagining going from shutter press to a CMS or social media in seconds. Any workflow that involves a computer at all has already lost. If cameras can produce JPEGs presumably they should be able to produce low-res JPEGs.

yeah there's no reason why lightroom couldn't work on the camera itself if it can run on an ipad. it's not like the high end dslrs couldn't be fitted with the necessary compute power - lightroom runs on old ipads after all.

Re: Denial About Workflow Among Camera Companies

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Post by vvanders »

wmf wrote: post #13
vaishaksuresh wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if we ignore the wifi feature, most cameras let you connect directly the computer and transfer images. you don't need SD card slot or a dedicated card reader. I have a full frame camera and the raw images are ~30 MB. I wouldn't want to transfer 32GB of data over wifi anyway.

I think the author is imagining going from shutter press to a CMS or social media in seconds. Any workflow that involves a computer at all has already lost. If cameras can produce JPEGs presumably they should be able to produce low-res JPEGs.

Yup, these controls already exist. You can do RAW+s/m/l/o JPG you just have a smaller buffer when you do this.
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