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Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

nihonde wrote: post #2

When are these publications going to figure out that volume shipped vs Apple is a pointless milestone? I'm interested in margins and revenues, but not units shipped.

These publication rely on getting people to actually read their content. Of course they'll always write articles like this.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by BoorishBears »

aq3cn wrote: post #6

Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

Consumer HP is practically two brands at this point, HP people know and hate, and "premium-HP" which made the Spectre, easily one of the best laptops I ever owned.

And the same probably goes for a lot of other brands (IdeaPad vs Thinkpad for example)

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Post by Raed667 »

pawadu wrote: post #10
aq3cn wrote: post #6

Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

IMHO that depends entirely on the model, Lenovo has awesome machines (e.g. older Thinkpad X series) and some really crappy machines (e.g. ideapad). Maybe the only exceptions to that are Razer and Microsoft who don't do low-end crap.

I have had a Lenovo ideapad Z510 for almost 3 years now, it has worked flawlessly on both Windows (8 then 8.1 then 10) and Linux (Ubuntu / Arch).

Not all ideapads are as crappy as they're believed to be.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by bryanlarsen »

aq3cn wrote: post #6

Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

"Lenovo" could mean "IdeaPad" or it could mean "ThinkPad T series", which occupy very different positions. The same could be done for pretty much every manufacturer on your list.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by pawadu »

nihonde wrote: post #2

When are these publications going to figure out that volume shipped vs Apple is a pointless milestone? I'm interested in margins and revenues, but not units shipped.

Because ASUS used to be pretty big before the post-PC dip. This only shows that they are regaining lost ground (or Apple is having problems, take your pick).

Also as an ordinary person why would you be interested "margins and revenues"?

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Post by SamUK96 »

aq3cn wrote: post #6

Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

Not sure if this is anecdotal or not, but the Dell business-laptop lines (Lattitude et al) have been having hard-drive corruption problems at the company where I work for ages.

As for Razer, I hear their products are excellent (laptop wise).

As for their peripherals, please guys, there's Roccat just down the road and it's cheaper and better.

With Clevo resellers, you get excellent components for the money, but the chassis is usuallt not the 'sexiest'. I'de go with a clevo reseller purely because you can get a rediculous spec for little money (1TB SSD, i7, 8-16GB RAM in clevo world is like 256GB SSD, i5, 8GB RAM in the 'branded' world)

As for Samsung, I've owned one for 5 years and it's still going strong. Flexy chassis though.

HP...sticky keyboard I've heard from friends and wider.

Lenovo...still not forgotten SilverFish crap. As for hardware though, I've heard their business line up is tough and rugged as fck. Suits the frequent traveller I suppose.

Don't talk to me about Apple...planned obselence, bribing developers to not developer for Linux and only MacOS (even though they are 99% the same fcking thing), rip off, etc. Battery is good and heard the frame is rugged enough though. MacOS is obviously stable as hell, depending on release (lol Sierra tho).

As for the others, can't say.

As a preliminary list, i'de say:

1) Clevo reseller (think SCAN, PCS, XMG, etc.)

2) Razer

3) Lenovo

4) Samsung

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by skriticos2 »

aq3cn wrote: post #6

Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

I just got a Dell XPS 13 (with Ubuntu pre-installed). It's a fairly well built machine and works without any major issues that I could find. I mostly bought it because of the infinity edge screen (very small bevel), which you won't find with most other vendors. So if you are looking for an ultra-portable it's a decent choice. (not affiliated with Dell in any way and this is my first machine I bought from them).

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by SamUK96 »

BoorishBears wrote: post #9
SamUK96 wrote: post #5

To be honest, the zenbook line has been a big hit. Good value and very sexy. Wish I had enough money for the UX390UA. It's basically faster, thinner, lighter, sexier Dell XPS...

I have its predecessor, the 303UB and on paper it's great, but it's not as nice as I expected. The 4K screen has a "faux 4K" pentile-like layout so smaller text and any type of thin line look horrid on Windows and stock Ubuntu (I Hackintoshed it for better multi monitor support and OSX anti-aliasing looks much better, making me wonder if Retinas have the same type of "faux 4K") The screen also has the same horrible y…

Isn't that the line with the Core M chips? They were a travesty for Windows 10. ~1000p on Passmark lol. Compare to an i7 6500U CPU, which has ~4500.

TBH, 4K laptop screens are a total scam.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by aq3cn »

pawadu wrote: post #10
aq3cn wrote: post #6

Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

IMHO that depends entirely on the model, Lenovo has awesome machines (e.g. older Thinkpad X series) and some really crappy machines (e.g. ideapad). Maybe the only exceptions to that are Razer and Microsoft who don't do low-end crap.

I know it will entirely depend on models. But still if we stick to their flagship laptop or desktop or server. Which is most reliable company to trust and feel assured of having best value for my money.

MS actually did Surface RT once. But I understand it was a test phase.

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