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Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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I think there are a lot of HN users who are flagging political/US election-related topics in general, especially those that don't have a strong tech angle. Just for clarification, as I understand it, "flagged" is a result of users marking it flagged. I'm not sure how a submission gets marked dead (for example, if it's moderator-only or can be marked dead if there are enough flags) There's been a lot of discussion on…

By general you mean not Trump? Because I saw a lot of hipster upping jokes about him.

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

#12
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>2. Being heavily flagged by butthurt Hillary supporters Idiotic comments like this are why users are flagging election news, by the way.

How is that idiotic? Is it not the truth?

It is true and butthurt Clinton supporters are downvoting you to prove.

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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post #5

I think there are a lot of HN users who are flagging political/US election-related topics in general, especially those that don't have a strong tech angle. Just for clarification, as I understand it, "flagged" is a result of users marking it flagged. I'm not sure how a submission gets marked dead (for example, if it's moderator-only or can be marked dead if there are enough flags) There's been a lot of discussion on…

You must be a new HN user. Few weeks ago HN front page was full of political/election topics. They weren't flagged, and even some of them were heavily upvoted. But these submissions were mostly anti-Trump. Now, when most submissions are anti-Clinton, they are being flagged and removed. Those which despite that are able to get many upvotes, are being silently hidden from front page. Moderators also add "a moderation d…

And here we go: this story has just been delisted from front page, despite it (now, 2016-10-31T20:34:43+00:00) has 21 points and isn't flagged.

I checked the next 7 pages as well, and it isn't present there either.

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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Maybe because you didn't provide any context? Cherry-picking one sentence from an email doesn't seem like a good faith attempt to discuss the issues.

(The same applies for Trump quotes! We should give him the benefit of doubt and make a reasonable attempt to understand the proper context of his bizarre but extremely quotable statements... But in his case, it's often difficult or meaningless to determine context because he rambles off the cuff all the time -- often it seems like many of the quotes just surface from his subconscious, and there's nothing else in the surrounding thought stream that could explain it.)

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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post #15

Maybe because you didn't provide any context? Cherry-picking one sentence from an email doesn't seem like a good faith attempt to discuss the issues. (The same applies for Trump quotes! We should give him the benefit of doubt and make a reasonable attempt to understand the proper context of his bizarre but extremely quotable statements... But in his case, it's often difficult or meaningless to determine context becau…

You comment his actions, but haven't even bothered to check the submission he complains about, have you?

He provided a link to the full content of email he cited. I thought that this is a preferred approach: provide just facts, without adding own subjective context and interpretation to them.

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

#17
post #5

I think there are a lot of HN users who are flagging political/US election-related topics in general, especially those that don't have a strong tech angle. Just for clarification, as I understand it, "flagged" is a result of users marking it flagged. I'm not sure how a submission gets marked dead (for example, if it's moderator-only or can be marked dead if there are enough flags) There's been a lot of discussion on…

You must be a new HN user. Few weeks ago HN front page was full of political/election topics. They weren't flagged, and even some of them were heavily upvoted. But these submissions were mostly anti-Trump. Now, when most submissions are anti-Clinton, they are being flagged and removed. Those which despite that are able to get many upvotes, are being silently hidden from front page. Moderators also add "a moderation d…

"You must be a new HN user. Few weeks ago HN front page was full of political/election topics."

Yes, I am a relatively new commenter (24 days). I started following comments at a particularly heated time. And the community aspects of the site are very interesting to me, in traction between users, community policing, the behavior of the moderators, how people choose to trust some sources and distrust others, how people who disagree can constructively discuss the contentious points. This last is particularly important to me, especially given the polarized political climate in the US.

I'm not prepared to weigh in on whether or to what extent there's user bias as to which stories or comments are getting flagged or down voted. I think it's a worthwhile question that should be examined analytically, with more than anecdotes.

Also, I don't know how the flamewar detection algorithms work, which causes some submissions to be removed from appearing on the front page. And based on what I've seen of the moderators, I give HN the benefit of the doubt that this system doesn't specifically include a political bias.

As for "moderation downweight", do you have some links for discussion on this feature?

Personally, I see no evidence that the moderators are actively biasing discussion other than trying to keep things civil and substantive. As for user flags and down votes, those are reflective of the community, and I say that without judging whether it's the correct behavior or not. Communities play a role in shaping themselves. How that shaping occurs is also up for discussion.

As for changes in flagging aggressiveness, I think people here in general want to be tolerant (explaining the early political/election topics) and have been getting increasingly tired of seeing the same topics getting rehashed (explaining the more aggressive flagging of political topics now).

Anyway, I am new so maybe this is all crap :) Thanks for taking the time for reading to this point. What do you think? Fair analysis? Bunk?

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be a new HN user. Few weeks ago HN front page was full of political/election topics. They weren't flagged, and even some of them were heavily upvoted. But these submissions were mostly anti-Trump. Now, when most submissions are anti-Clinton, they are being flagged and removed. Those which despite that are able to get many upvotes, are being silently hidden from front page. Moderators also add "a moderation d…

And here we go: this story has just been delisted from front page, despite it (now, 2016-10-31T20:34:43+00:00) has 21 points and isn't flagged. I checked the next 7 pages as well, and it isn't present there either.

Flagging affects ranking before it is visible (it's actually a fairly new feature that flagging is shown at all before the story is killed and closed for new comments)

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be a new HN user. Few weeks ago HN front page was full of political/election topics. They weren't flagged, and even some of them were heavily upvoted. But these submissions were mostly anti-Trump. Now, when most submissions are anti-Clinton, they are being flagged and removed. Those which despite that are able to get many upvotes, are being silently hidden from front page. Moderators also add "a moderation d…

And here we go: this story has just been delisted from front page, despite it (now, 2016-10-31T20:34:43+00:00) has 21 points and isn't flagged. I checked the next 7 pages as well, and it isn't present there either.

Yes, and it obviously has to do with tech. I thought hackers news was a little more open minded and generally a more intelligent community. Guess some users and mods/admins aren't...

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

#20
post #3

The frontpage is either: 1. Being heavily censored by admins 2. Being heavily flagged by butthurt Hillary supporters

>>2. Being heavily flagged by butthurt Hillary supporters Idiotic comments like this are why users are flagging election news, by the way.

FYI, this isn't specifically election news. This is news about a tech giant suggesting a database be created based on voting habits that includes additional metadata about individuals.
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