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Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBma82g3Uag Young Steve warned us about the risk of having "toner heads" running tech monopolies. So weird that it was Jobs himself who picked this guy to be his successor just as they were becoming the biggest corporation in the world.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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This is a bizarre comparison. The Surface Studio is not in competition with the MacBook Pro. It's closest analogue is something like the iPad Pro with a stand I guess. Apple will not be making a direct competitor to the Surface Studio because they aren't going to make a touch screen MacOS (the right decision IMO). I mean the Studio looks nice if you're an illustrator but there's no obligation to compete with every ni…

But Surface Studio hit that imagination sweetspot. The Surface Dial feels so simple and intuitive, yet completely caught me off guard. The old Apple use to have that. But ever since Cook really takes over, every Apple press release, becomes endless circlejerk of "2x CPU/GPU", "thinner and thinner", "best XXXX we ever designed". Especially the thinner and thinner thing, it becomes some kind of religious cult, that Apple seems to prioritize beyond user's convenience. This is not what an innovative company should be, it is a company that so desperate clinging to its old formula.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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post #9

This is a bizarre comparison. The Surface Studio is not in competition with the MacBook Pro. It's closest analogue is something like the iPad Pro with a stand I guess. Apple will not be making a direct competitor to the Surface Studio because they aren't going to make a touch screen MacOS (the right decision IMO). I mean the Studio looks nice if you're an illustrator but there's no obligation to compete with every ni…

Luckily the article does not say that the Surface Studio is in competition with the MacBook Pro. The author says that what Microsoft and Apple unveiled at their respective events heavily favoured Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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They're working themselves there, it still feels like parts of Microsoft haven't caught up. Windows 10 comes to mind, and other areas that still seem painfully behind the times. It would be nice if Microsoft made some Windows Components that are open sourced out of the box, like full disk encryption software. I've personally moved to Linux for over a year now because it meets all my needs without getting in my way. L…

I'm curious, what leads you to believe there's two different Windows Update screens?

In Windows 8 at least, you had a "desktop" Windows Update accessible from the control panel and a "modern" Windows Update accessible from the Start Screen.

From memory they beefed up the "modern" one then ditched the "desktop" one in Windows 10 sometime around the Anniversary Update.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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There's no real underdog now. Microsoft has a pretty consistent track record of looking at other companies making money, and making a microsoft version of that. Bing, xbox, azure, and zune are pretty obvious examples. Surface doesn't seem to fit that mold at all. They're giving every indication of doing something new.

I can't think of a real underdog right now. Apple had this sort of desperation to do something good, right now, or die. Microsoft can throw a lot of money at something and still be ok. The surface looks very good, and it's a unique vision.

I wish someone would found the equivalent of BeOS, and sell BeBoxes for it. A linux laptop with flawless hardware support. A slot for a stepper driver card would be pretty cool. Maybe a geek port, or maybe a clever way to integrate a breadboard or FPGA, or both.

Things feel really stable right now. Google will keep selling ads, Apple will keep cranking out consumer electronics, Microsoft will keep selling its windows/office pair to the universe, Amazon will keep getting better at logistics, and Facebook will keep growing the social graph. None of them are going to bet the farm on anything. And, really, they're all big clunky slow organizations they rebelled against.

I hope there will be a big wave of innovation, I don't think it's going to come from the big 5. But i'd agree, yes microsoft is some percentage more innovative than apple. Big, radical, disruptive, change the world ideas? No, none of the big 5 are capable anymore.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, what leads you to believe there's two different Windows Update screens?

In Windows 8 at least, you had a "desktop" Windows Update accessible from the control panel and a "modern" Windows Update accessible from the Start Screen. From memory they beefed up the "modern" one then ditched the "desktop" one in Windows 10 sometime around the Anniversary Update.

Correct, did not know it got removed for the Anniversary Update. At least they're cleaning up the OS, which is odd, they should of done that before the OS was released in my opinion.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, what leads you to believe there's two different Windows Update screens?

In Windows 8 at least, you had a "desktop" Windows Update accessible from the control panel and a "modern" Windows Update accessible from the Start Screen. From memory they beefed up the "modern" one then ditched the "desktop" one in Windows 10 sometime around the Anniversary Update.

I've used Windows 10 since just after RTM and it's only ever had one Windows Update tool. Could well be it was present in the beta releases?

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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No doubt really. I would have left my MBP and bought a Surface Book 2 had their OS not spied on me or the hardware had perfect Linux support.

Curiously, one of the things I'm rather liking about Windows 10 is that it now has an Ubuntu module in it... Back at the end of my PhD I switched from a combination of Windows and a Linux server, to a Mac, largely because of bash on Mac. It sort of feels like Windows has started to one-up them there too. (Though it's still prettier on a Mac)

Some of the cool stuff from HCI labs in the early 2000s seems to be arriving in products on Windows faster than on Macs too (tangibles, large touch displays, etc).

It seems to me that Apple is somehow now missing the "obvious plays". They put a bunch of effort into Siri, but were late putting it on the Mac. They put a bunch of effort into multi-touch; but Macs are now just about the only notebooks without a multi-touch screen. They put a bunch of effort into the Pencil to make it low-latency for artists; but you can't use it on a Mac. Another obvious play was to make it so you can plug in the ipad and use it as a secondary display with pencil support, but it took Duet Display to do that for them so they've never been able to promote that you can do that.

Perhaps they bet single-mindedly on the tablet replacing the computer, and were caught out when the tablet market saturated and started getting eaten by phablets? Either way, it seems to me they've found themselves left with an anaemic laptop product pipeline.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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post #15

There's no real underdog now. Microsoft has a pretty consistent track record of looking at other companies making money, and making a microsoft version of that. Bing, xbox, azure, and zune are pretty obvious examples. Surface doesn't seem to fit that mold at all. They're giving every indication of doing something new. I can't think of a real underdog right now. Apple had this sort of desperation to do something good,…

Oh... BeOS. Too bad I was born in mid 90s so I didn't get the chance to play with those systems properly. I read about them, a lot, and it seems amazing what does guys achieved with their system. They were really ahead of the curve in some aspects, but in the others... Oh well, it was OS for nerds and enthusiasts mostly.
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