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Re: Academia, Love Me Back

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Post by danharaj »

IsaacL wrote: post #3

We (as outsider observers) lack the evidence to judge this story objectively. It sucks to be unfairly accused of plagiarism (it happened to me once in high school). However, we don't know why the professor came to the conclusion that she plagiarised. Maybe they jumped to conclusions on limited evidence, or maybe this paper was written with vocabulary and sentence structure which was inconsistent with the student's ea…

> Either way, it's incredibly unlikely that an academic professor of sociology would be a closet racist.

Your priors are naive. To be honest.

Re: Academia, Love Me Back

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Post by jseliger »

IsaacL wrote: post #3

We (as outsider observers) lack the evidence to judge this story objectively. It sucks to be unfairly accused of plagiarism (it happened to me once in high school). However, we don't know why the professor came to the conclusion that she plagiarised. Maybe they jumped to conclusions on limited evidence, or maybe this paper was written with vocabulary and sentence structure which was inconsistent with the student's ea…

it's incredibly unlikely that an academic professor of sociology would be a closet racist.

That's probably true in the sense of using racial slurs or joining the KKK or something like that, but IME of academia in grad school as an adjunct, lots of people are paternalistic or condescending—often without quite realizing that they are (which would be consistent with the original article).

Efforts to be culturally sensitive can also backfire in incredible, spectacular ways (for example: https://jakeseliger.com/2014/12/22/how-do-you-know-when-your...).

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Post by [deleted] »

ASpring wrote: post #9
IsaacL wrote: post #3

We (as outsider observers) lack the evidence to judge this story objectively. It sucks to be unfairly accused of plagiarism (it happened to me once in high school). However, we don't know why the professor came to the conclusion that she plagiarised. Maybe they jumped to conclusions on limited evidence, or maybe this paper was written with vocabulary and sentence structure which was inconsistent with the student's ea…

> Either way, it's incredibly unlikely that an academic professor of sociology would be a closet racist. Just as unlikely as a priest being a pedophile.

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Re: Academia, Love Me Back

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Post by lisper »

Wow. Just, wow. "This is not your word"??? Even when I stretch my charitable suspension of disbelief to its absolute limit I cannot come up with any interpretation of that phrase that is even remotely defensible.

Re: Academia, Love Me Back

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Post by Pharylon »

IsaacL wrote: post #3

We (as outsider observers) lack the evidence to judge this story objectively. It sucks to be unfairly accused of plagiarism (it happened to me once in high school). However, we don't know why the professor came to the conclusion that she plagiarised. Maybe they jumped to conclusions on limited evidence, or maybe this paper was written with vocabulary and sentence structure which was inconsistent with the student's ea…

Maybe not an active KKK-rally attending racist, but a soft racist? There's a reason why two identical resumes for post-graduate work get rated differently when the names are "Chad" vs "Shaniqua".

The fact is, when you really get down to it, most people are subconsciously racist. Not a joke - most people. There have been studies on it and everything.

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Post by IsaacL »

Pharylon wrote: post #15
IsaacL wrote: post #3

We (as outsider observers) lack the evidence to judge this story objectively. It sucks to be unfairly accused of plagiarism (it happened to me once in high school). However, we don't know why the professor came to the conclusion that she plagiarised. Maybe they jumped to conclusions on limited evidence, or maybe this paper was written with vocabulary and sentence structure which was inconsistent with the student's ea…

Maybe not an active KKK-rally attending racist, but a soft racist? There's a reason why two identical resumes for post-graduate work get rated differently when the names are "Chad" vs "Shaniqua". The fact is, when you really get down to it, most people are subconsciously racist. Not a joke - most people. There have been studies on it and everything.

"The fact is, when you really get down to it, most people are subconsciously racist. Not a joke - most people."

If this is true, why the moral outrage towards the professor?

Re: Academia, Love Me Back

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Post by rhapsodic »

It looks like the professor pulled a jerk move, jumping to conclusions based on scant evidence. Yet the writer seems to conclude that happened because of her ethnicity, without offering any evidence to support that. Maybe the professor is just a presumptuous jerk who pulls that with students regardless of their race, sex or ethnicity.

I'm not saying that's the case, because I have no evidence either way.

Re: Academia, Love Me Back

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

IsaacL wrote: post #16
Pharylon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not an active KKK-rally attending racist, but a soft racist? There's a reason why two identical resumes for post-graduate work get rated differently when the names are "Chad" vs "Shaniqua". The fact is, when you really get down to it, most people are subconsciously racist. Not a joke - most people. There have been studies on it and everything.

"The fact is, when you really get down to it, most people are subconsciously racist. Not a joke - most people." If this is true, why the moral outrage towards the professor?

Because everyone has some amount of racism whether they realise it or not but it still is not acceptable to display that racism. Sure having some racist thoughts isn't great but just like with almost every other unacceptable topic, everybody thinks about it sometime. It is only a problem when it becomes verbal/affecting others. That is why people are upset with him.
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