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A Little-Known Company That Enables Mass Surveillance

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Re: A Little-Known Company That Enables Mass Surveillance

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Ponder: Is your available ISP speed restricted, through backdoor channels and red letters, to not overcome the throughput bandwidth of these devices?

Or, another way, is the maximum throughput of these monitoring setups limiting ISP maximum offered speeds in the countries that use them?

US, UK, Aus, Canada, the eyes, all have unusually low maximum consumer speeds vs. non implicated countries such as Japan, korea, even China, given the technology available today.

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post #11

Ponder: Is your available ISP speed restricted, through backdoor channels and red letters, to not overcome the throughput bandwidth of these devices? Or, another way, is the maximum throughput of these monitoring setups limiting ISP maximum offered speeds in the countries that use them? US, UK, Aus, Canada, the eyes, all have unusually low maximum consumer speeds vs. non implicated countries such as Japan, korea, eve…

It's difficult to go lower than what Australia offers in terms of BW. In Australia, in 2016, you are among the privileged ones if you have like 6Mbps DL at home.

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These DPI companies always make me smile because 20 years ago I was the inventor on this patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US6182146B1/en It describes a way of doing DPI to identify protocols that are not running on standard ports. We used this for a protocol analysis product [0] that did network monitoring (for accounting purposes inside companies and led to companies discovering what people were mis-using their network connections for---hello PointCast[1]) and for prediction of network scaling needs. And all that was based on stuff I'd been doing from about 1984 [2].

Bottom line: scooping up packets is easy; encrypt your shit.

[0] https://www.cnet.com/au/news/tool-gauges-web-apps/

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PointCast_(dotcom)

[2] http://blog.jgc.org/2011/01/network-protocol-analysis-prior-...

Re: A Little-Known Company That Enables Mass Surveillance

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This article perfectly illustrates a major flaw in surveillance journalism.

As luck would have it, I'm pretty familiar with Endace --- or was, back in 2003-2005. I was at Arbor Networks then. Arbor does large-scale network instrumentation for anti-DDoS and performance monitoring. By the time I left, every major ISP in the world had their network instrumented with Arbor gear.

We'd had lots of conversations with Endace. We were as a firm extremely interested in any technology we could buy off the rack to get performant access to raw packets and telemetry data --- Arbor had no hardware engineers, and everything they shipped at the time shipped on COTS X86 rackmounts running OpenBSD. My point here is not just that there are multiple uses for the kind of stuff Endace makes, but also that I vividly remember Endace because very few companies made products in this space at all.

Obviously, any company that can facilitate efficient access to, storage of, and analysis of raw traffic data is going to have multiple markets to sell to. And we should not make apologies for companies that take the extra money --- sell their souls, so to speak --- by offering their products to facilitate dragnet surveillance. We would all do well to keep in mind that the problem with selling to this market is far worse than NSA's abuses, which are trivial compared to the abuses perpetrated by countries in the Middle East and Asia. Point being: packaging and selling for the global surveillance market is ethically hazardous in the extreme.

No, the problem here is that this kind of story is unintentionally deceptive about who the real enablers of large-scale surveillance are. They're not the dinky little company in New Zealand selling packet capture technology. They're the networking and database giants, the companies our parents automatically have their retirement accounts invested in because they're huge components of the stock market, who have entire teams of people, euphemistically named (maybe something like "public sector" or "APAC public sector" or "GSA" or "defense"), packaging and selling 8-9 figure "solutions" to government around the world. Compared the giants, Endace is a gnat. They're not the enablers. We know who the real enablers are.

You can tell, because of the article's lurid descriptions of Endace's major transactions with GCHQ --- the focus of the article. They've got smoking gun proof: invoices for $300,000 and $160,000. Or: less than SourceFire would have charged Chick-Fil-A† to install commercial Snort boxes.

I have no idea if Chick-Fil-A was a SourceFire customer.

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"[..]Alongside its government clients, Endace has many major corporate customers. Endace’s sales lists include finance industry giants such as Morgan Stanley, Reuters, and Bank of America. [..]" What for do finance companies need systems that intercept data?

To monitor their own networks, which are gigantic. The top tier of the finance market had networks so complicated and sensitive that they would surprise us and buy Arbor Networks products that were designed for AT&T's backbone. Some of them even needed the BGP monitoring stuff we'd been doing.

These companies (Reuters included) basically run their own facsimiles of the Internet, but to carry money instead of cat pictures. Their network monitoring needs are intense.

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Can someone ELI5 how they actually capture all these data ? Are they basically cracking encryption ? I thought the kind of encryption provided by VPN services (256-bit AES/CBC) was strong enough? If that's what they do, aren't they violating privacy laws ? Aren't they breaching companies such as Google, Facebook etc... T&C ? Are they installing some kinds of trojans, keyloggers and stuff on 3rd parties computers ? Is…

They can't do anything with encrypted data, except (badly) try to detect that it's encrypted in the first place.

Re: A Little-Known Company That Enables Mass Surveillance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we even safe with a VPN ?

A VPN is someone else's computer. Why would that be safer than using your own?

Because of eavesdropping on the output of set computer does not tell anything about who is making the actual request? Or are you implying that it will be possible to backtrack with this type of surveillance?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A VPN is someone else's computer. Why would that be safer than using your own?

Because of eavesdropping on the output of set computer does not tell anything about who is making the actual request? Or are you implying that it will be possible to backtrack with this type of surveillance?

No, I think he was asking how you can trust that the VPN end point you are connected to hasn't been hacked.

Re: A Little-Known Company That Enables Mass Surveillance

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post #15

This article perfectly illustrates a major flaw in surveillance journalism. As luck would have it, I'm pretty familiar with Endace --- or was, back in 2003-2005. I was at Arbor Networks then. Arbor does large-scale network instrumentation for anti-DDoS and performance monitoring. By the time I left, every major ISP in the world had their network instrumented with Arbor gear. We'd had lots of conversations with Endace…

If we're going to hunt all the witches, may as well practice on the little ones.
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