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Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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These kind of statements remind me of the "Not everything was bad about Hitler" faction. "Sure he killed millions but think of the highways he built!" Trump is one person, you can't separate his position on policy X from all the other things. You may want to support him because of some specific policy but if you do, you will support all of his policies, there is no way around it.

If trump wins, and doesnt actually do anything remotely as bad as hitler will you feel bad for taking this extremely radical point of view?

I'm fairly certain Trump isn't going to do anything remotely as bad because he wouldn't have the ability to.

In any case the parallels are shocking and I'm far from the only one who has noticed, so I don't think the idea is all that radical to begin with.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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Quick summary: (1) Dodges the main issue of Trump's being not just a controversial candidate, but as we now know, an apparently unapologetic, serial sexual assaulter; along with (2) Thiel's blatant indifference to this fact; (3) to which Mark says, basically "Whatever about this sexual assault stuff -- of course FB can't afford to alienate any significant sized constituency, such as the pro-Trump electorate".

*Alleged serial sexual assaulter

We're not a court of law. By the time there's 9+ accusers, many of whom shared their stories contemporarily (viz people writer who told 6 people), you're verging on Crosby territory to deny what plainly happened.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If trump wins, and doesnt actually do anything remotely as bad as hitler will you feel bad for taking this extremely radical point of view?

I'm fairly certain Trump isn't going to do anything remotely as bad because he wouldn't have the ability to. In any case the parallels are shocking and I'm far from the only one who has noticed, so I don't think the idea is all that radical to begin with.

I think you see the "X is Hitler" trope quite a lot in politics. And yes, the similarities are uncanny but there's a very simple reason for that:

All moderately successful and ambitious politicians will, to a first-order approximation, be similar to Hitler. Why? Because Hitler was a successful, ambitious and quite influential politician who fought against the hardships in his life. This is not to say that Hitler was in any way good, but the "similarities" you refer to are quite natural considering that you're comparing classes of people that must (by necessity) have similar character traits. A timid, unambitious person wouldn't be a serious contender for President of the US.

All of this being said, I'm not American so I literally have no ball in this game (though on the record, Trump's policies on climate change are more than enough for me to not wish him to be the next President of the US).

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fairly certain Trump isn't going to do anything remotely as bad because he wouldn't have the ability to. In any case the parallels are shocking and I'm far from the only one who has noticed, so I don't think the idea is all that radical to begin with.

I think you see the "X is Hitler" trope quite a lot in politics. And yes, the similarities are uncanny but there's a very simple reason for that: All moderately successful and ambitious politicians will, to a first-order approximation, be similar to Hitler. Why? Because Hitler was a successful, ambitious and quite influential politician who fought against the hardships in his life. This is not to say that Hitler was…

> Because Hitler was a successful, ambitious and quite influential politician who fought against the hardships in his life.

Sorry that's not a 'first order approximation of similarity to Hitler' any more than 'adult member of the human race' is.

A comparison made directly to Hitler would, as a first order approximation, follow the most notable facts about him. In fact, most politicians are not megalomaniacs who rise on a platform of racial scapegoating and then go on to wage total war and genocide. Donald Trump, uniquely among modern American political figures, strikingly resembles the first part of that.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*Alleged serial sexual assaulter

We're not a court of law. By the time there's 9+ accusers, many of whom shared their stories contemporarily (viz people writer who told 6 people), you're verging on Crosby territory to deny what plainly happened.

I hope someone in your family is convicted in the court of public opinion, maybe your son or father.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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post #3

Quick summary: (1) Dodges the main issue of Trump's being not just a controversial candidate, but as we now know, an apparently unapologetic, serial sexual assaulter; along with (2) Thiel's blatant indifference to this fact; (3) to which Mark says, basically "Whatever about this sexual assault stuff -- of course FB can't afford to alienate any significant sized constituency, such as the pro-Trump electorate".

*Alleged serial sexual assaulter

*"Alleged" serial sexual assaulter who has bragged on tape about his pattern of engaging in sexual assault.

Let's not leave that out. What he is being accused of is no more or less than what he has actually bragged about doing. Bragged about on videotape.

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