I get that this is a big deal and it will keep coming back... But is there anyone other than Ellen Pao who could tell this story? Seriously?
Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
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Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
sctb says it is user flags: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12728092
I'm not surprised. There are a lot of people who don't like discussing this stuff (either because they don't agree with it or they just don't want to deal with any more stuff about politics/social issues).
The discussions are often not productive, or, worse yet, predictable.
Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
#13Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right?
This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least in they eyes of the media and the Twitterverse, of all places. Here, we're seeing it again with Thiel: he has the right to donate to whatever cause he wants, but we criticize him for donating to the wrong causes.
For all the talk of cultural and gender diversity, political diversity is shunned. This is far more pernicious than criticizing a startup because they haven't hired enough women or PoC
Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
#14wow talk about delusional... how does she reconcile this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
#15Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…
Wow, I really couldn't disagree with you more.
It's not left vs right, its humanity denying stances.
Denying LGBT are human (which is what the "8" people were about) is a critical issue. Eich tied himself to the wrong side of history, and epically fucked up his CEO response proving he was a bad candidate for that role. He made his own bed and now lies in it.
As for Trump... well, this is a presidential candidate describing HOW exactly he sexually assaults women. It wasn't a theoretical "what I could do" conversation, it was a "this is what I do" bragging talk. Again, dehumanizing 51% of the population.
Maybe basic human rights is just a "cause" for you, but for the 60-70% of humanity you're trashing, it's kind of their lives.
Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
#16Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…
I don't want you to think you're alone in recognizing the injustice of Brendan Eich being forced to leave Mozilla. This is an excellent example of mob action and brigading.
On the other hand, I don't yet see a trend here. Though many founders and other influencers espouse views consistent with mainstream Democrats, I see other influencers/founders/execs in tech espousing Libertarian viewpoints.
I could be myopic about this and would love it if you could comment further. Thanks for posting this; I think it was well-articulated and thoughtful.
Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
#17Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…
We are witnessing the emergence of a new degree dysfunction on the left. If it continues to gain traction, it may eclipse the dysfunction that we witnessed on the right in previous decades.
Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
sctb says it is user flags: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12728092
I'm not surprised. There are a lot of people who don't like discussing this stuff (either because they don't agree with it or they just don't want to deal with any more stuff about politics/social issues).
> There are a lot of people who don't like discussing this stuff [... or because] they just don't want to deal with any more stuff about politics/social issues
Especially those of a foreign country, in which they don't have right to vote or even visit (because of visas).
Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
#19Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…
Wow, I really couldn't disagree with you more. It's not left vs right, its humanity denying stances. Denying LGBT are human (which is what the "8" people were about) is a critical issue. Eich tied himself to the wrong side of history, and epically fucked up his CEO response proving he was a bad candidate for that role. He made his own bed and now lies in it. As for Trump... well, this is a presidential candidate desc…
No one is trashing rights. No one is denying LGBT people, their humanity. Thiel is literally a homosexual, why do you choose to ignore that. I don't think it is in his self interest to dehumanize himself.
Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions
#20Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…
Wow, I really couldn't disagree with you more. It's not left vs right, its humanity denying stances. Denying LGBT are human (which is what the "8" people were about) is a critical issue. Eich tied himself to the wrong side of history, and epically fucked up his CEO response proving he was a bad candidate for that role. He made his own bed and now lies in it. As for Trump... well, this is a presidential candidate desc…
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