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Why does Siri seem so dumb?

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Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

#11

My wife is exactly the customer that's given up on asking Siri questions and uses it for timers. I can agree that Google does a better job at answering questions, but I don't like that Google requires access to just about everything in my life to be at all worthwhile, which is generally why I avoid google services. I realize I'm a minority but I don't like their all or nothing approach to slurping my data.

I don't think you are part of a minority. Apple apparently doesn't think that, too.

Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see it as humblebragging (any of us could create a Cook contact / ReCode readers likely know Walt Mossberg's relationship to Apple) but, worse, a faulty premise. Odds are, if you have them in your contact database, you already know them; you're not going to want Siri to give you their Wikipedia bio. Siri has myriad faults, and thankfully someone of Mossberg's stature might push Apple to address them, but this…

If you are asking specifically for _who_ somebody is, it should tell you who that person is - not give the contact card, because that card does not tell you who somebody is. At least, that's what I would expect if I asked who somebody is.

I'm presupposing the contact card has their job position/title, and therefore still answers the question – also presupposing the original (odd) premise of wondering who someone already saved in your phone is.

The Venn overlap between the set of "contacts in your phone" and "people with Wikipedia bios" is likely rather small. Hence why I think it's a faulty premise to complain about Siri defaulting to contact card when these two sets do intersect.

Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

#13

My wife is exactly the customer that's given up on asking Siri questions and uses it for timers. I can agree that Google does a better job at answering questions, but I don't like that Google requires access to just about everything in my life to be at all worthwhile, which is generally why I avoid google services. I realize I'm a minority but I don't like their all or nothing approach to slurping my data.

Does Android really answer questions? The only one I know to work is "How high is Mount Everest?". For everything else, it just reads the first sentence of the Wikipedia article, or presents a search. I'm using a German phone, so an English one might work better. But mine doesn't even know "What color is the sky?"

Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

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post #6

The main gripe I have with Siri is that is still can't understand bilingual (german/english) conversation. This makes this service unusable for me. How do you ask Siri for a song, a movie, a person name which happens to be english, when the device is set to german?

The Apple TV Siri actually can cope with two languages when it comes to movie names. Using Siri here I don't have to "hack" it by pronouncing English words in German. At least the iOS keyboard understands more than one language simultaneously now. Something macOS and Android do for a long time.

Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

#15

My wife is exactly the customer that's given up on asking Siri questions and uses it for timers. I can agree that Google does a better job at answering questions, but I don't like that Google requires access to just about everything in my life to be at all worthwhile, which is generally why I avoid google services. I realize I'm a minority but I don't like their all or nothing approach to slurping my data.

Does Android really answer questions? The only one I know to work is "How high is Mount Everest?". For everything else, it just reads the first sentence of the Wikipedia article, or presents a search. I'm using a German phone, so an English one might work better. But mine doesn't even know "What color is the sky?"

My dad uses Google Now like this all the time. The first sentence of the Wikipedia article is generally a pretty useful summary of whatever you were searching for -- maybe this is a difference between the English and the German Wikipedia articles? Google now is pretty good at trivia in general though. I just asked mine who won the 1995 NCAA Basketball Championship, and I learned the UCLA Bruins won. My google now says the sky is blue when I ask it as well.

Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

#16

What I don't understand is why we don't try to solve this using a huge fact database derived from natural language parsing of the web. Basically the same approach as deep learning - something that was unfeasible 20 years ago, but due to massive improvements in processing power now works. What I'm thinking of is basically SHRDLU [1] on steroids. Parse a ton of web pages. There are great natural language parsers that c…

It's not as easy as you think, but people are working on it. For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAGO_%28database%29

Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

#17

What I don't understand is why we don't try to solve this using a huge fact database derived from natural language parsing of the web. Basically the same approach as deep learning - something that was unfeasible 20 years ago, but due to massive improvements in processing power now works. What I'm thinking of is basically SHRDLU [1] on steroids. Parse a ton of web pages. There are great natural language parsers that c…

Like this?

https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/introducing-knowledg...

Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

#18
post #6

The main gripe I have with Siri is that is still can't understand bilingual (german/english) conversation. This makes this service unusable for me. How do you ask Siri for a song, a movie, a person name which happens to be english, when the device is set to german?

Honest question, do other assistants offer that? Just curious.

Works good with Google for me, also German and English

Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

#19
>>>But I suspect that people don’t ask those questions because, after trying a time or two and getting no answers or wrong answers, they just give up on Siri. Absolutely this. I mean, you try a few of this these "long tail" queries and you eventually say "Fuck it!" I attempt these "long tail" queries (which to me, that term sounds like some shitty play-it-down excuse from Apple) weekly just to see if Apple is finally getting their act together in regards to Siri usefulness. I am consistently disappointed and never surprised and delighted.

I try to screenshot "Siri fails". Here are the last few in my screenshot album:

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"Open last screenshot" → "You don't seem to have an app named 'last screenshot' We could see if the App Store has it [App Store]"

"Share this with my wife" (Photo was open in Photos.app) → "I'm sorry Joe, I'm afraid I can't do that"

"When is the last time I exercised" → "Interesting Question, Joe"

"What year was this song recorded" (In Music app with song playing) → "Interesting question, Joe"

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We're living in a world where we can do more and more without using the screen as an interface. It's happening. I'm worried that Siri is a low priority product for Apple right now and they will soon be scrambling to play catch up if they aren't already.

EDIT: I'm hoping that Apple's recent buddying up with IBM allows for some of Watson's intellect to seep into Siri. Who knows, maybe in a future keynote we'll hear Tim say, "Ladies and gentlemen, Watson is coming to your Mac and iPhone!"

Re: Why does Siri seem so dumb?

#20

My wife is exactly the customer that's given up on asking Siri questions and uses it for timers. I can agree that Google does a better job at answering questions, but I don't like that Google requires access to just about everything in my life to be at all worthwhile, which is generally why I avoid google services. I realize I'm a minority but I don't like their all or nothing approach to slurping my data.

Does Android really answer questions? The only one I know to work is "How high is Mount Everest?". For everything else, it just reads the first sentence of the Wikipedia article, or presents a search. I'm using a German phone, so an English one might work better. But mine doesn't even know "What color is the sky?"

I just asked mine 'what color is the sky', and it gave a reasonable answer, which is sourced from NASA.

Might be a lack of corpus? Idk. Seems like if they could perfectly solve translate, that wouldn't be an issue heh heh (strong if).

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