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CIA ‘Siren Servers’ can predict social uprisings 3-5 days in advance

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“much harder to convey confidence for the policymaker who may make an important decision from advanced analytics with deep learning algorithms.” This is an unsolvable problem. From the policymaker's point of view saying "deep learning told me so" is exactly the same as saying "god told me so"

"god told me so" worked very well for thousands of years.

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In my limited experience, I feel like the CIA has a lot of room for improvement. Reminds me of this- http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/21/world/director-admits-cia-... There's the problem of guys like Michael Morrell, who have no operational experience but go on Charlie Rose and advocate murdering Russian and Syrian officials. Not that I disagree but why publicly talk about it? Morrell's an economist. The agency being r…

It's a cultural thing I believe. Some cultures have a different way of dealing with conflicts, and each one of those has its pros and cons.

The US for example threatens adversaries before it acts. And sometimes it will not act even though she says so. (bluffing like in a poker game) The benefits as I see them is being somewhat more transparent.

The Russians on the other hand will not threaten. They want to keep all their options hidden. But when they come out saying they will do something they very likely will and sometimes this can look like an extreme escalation coming out of nowhere.

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Cool. I wonder how they test this stuff.

Probably feed it with historical data and see if it can tell what has happened.

Backcasting is a fairly standard testing method, though you've got to be careful about overfitting.

I need to RTFA, but this sounds like it might have relations to Peter Turchin's work on cliodynamics.

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I was personally in Western Tunisia (on the Algerian border) as the Tunisian uprising, the first of the Arab Spring, began. I was there a month. The protests were in full swing for weeks in every village in the west before anything hit western media. No travel warnings or any of that backdated pretend bureaucracy. I very much doubt the CIA had much of an idea what was going on outside the capital. The only western pr…

Probably they can detect uprising in Germany...

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Every time I read about expensive programs like these I think of what else that money could have been spent on that would prevent the need for populations to rise up against their governments.

It's the CIA, there is a high chance that they are spending more money to fuel the revolution.

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I was personally in Western Tunisia (on the Algerian border) as the Tunisian uprising, the first of the Arab Spring, began. I was there a month. The protests were in full swing for weeks in every village in the west before anything hit western media. No travel warnings or any of that backdated pretend bureaucracy. I very much doubt the CIA had much of an idea what was going on outside the capital. The only western pr…

Of course a social uprising in Tunisia is very unlikely to spread to the USA. Movements in the UK, Australia and Canada however...

As for staying off the wires. Thanks to the network effect you need to have a large portion of your network do the same.

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I was personally in Western Tunisia (on the Algerian border) as the Tunisian uprising, the first of the Arab Spring, began. I was there a month. The protests were in full swing for weeks in every village in the west before anything hit western media. No travel warnings or any of that backdated pretend bureaucracy. I very much doubt the CIA had much of an idea what was going on outside the capital. The only western pr…

> Stay off the wires (including finance), and it's very hard for them to see much of anything.

NGOs. [yet again with silent (dumb?) downvotes in the same comment chain that mentions "network effects".]

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“much harder to convey confidence for the policymaker who may make an important decision from advanced analytics with deep learning algorithms.” This is an unsolvable problem. From the policymaker's point of view saying "deep learning told me so" is exactly the same as saying "god told me so"

"god told me so" worked very well for thousands of years.

It certainly worked, whether or not it worked "well" is up for debate.

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I was personally in Western Tunisia (on the Algerian border) as the Tunisian uprising, the first of the Arab Spring, began. I was there a month. The protests were in full swing for weeks in every village in the west before anything hit western media. No travel warnings or any of that backdated pretend bureaucracy. I very much doubt the CIA had much of an idea what was going on outside the capital. The only western pr…

The protesters didn't have cell phones? Just correlating their locations would tell you something was up.
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