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A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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Re: A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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The connection to the consumption of animal products to diabetes is rarely the focus but we know there is a big connection. Consider Kempner's Rice Diet which used sugar to successfully treat diabetes! So I doubt sugar is a sufficient condition. This is politics not science.

I've never heard of a connection between consuming animal products and diabetes. Perhaps you can expand on this.

I recognize the text pattern from before. Pretty sure I've dealt with this user before, on articles about Diabetes.

In the end, it's a whole lot of breathlessness about veganism will "fix diabetes". Of course, no citations, or cited articles that are completely 180deg out of phase.

I know what worked for me, was a form of Atkins diet (extremely low carbohydrate diet) backed up with my glucometer. I plot trends of foods, and how they respond to me. My limit is 140mG/dL, where we know neurons in agar petri dish die.

Yes, my diet consists of a lot more meats, veggies, cheese, some nuts, some 'dryer' fruits. But no bread, rice, sugar, or things that cause my body to rise.

Re: A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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I've never heard of a connection between consuming animal products and diabetes. Perhaps you can expand on this.

I recognize the text pattern from before. Pretty sure I've dealt with this user before, on articles about Diabetes. In the end, it's a whole lot of breathlessness about veganism will "fix diabetes". Of course, no citations, or cited articles that are completely 180deg out of phase. I know what worked for me, was a form of Atkins diet (extremely low carbohydrate diet) backed up with my glucometer. I plot trends of foo…

How many carbs a day do you stick to?

Re: A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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The connection to the consumption of animal products to diabetes is rarely the focus but we know there is a big connection. Consider Kempner's Rice Diet which used sugar to successfully treat diabetes! So I doubt sugar is a sufficient condition. This is politics not science.

Easy to test. Get 80% of your calories from fructose syrup. The rest from plant food. Feel free to report in a year.

Re: A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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I recognize the text pattern from before. Pretty sure I've dealt with this user before, on articles about Diabetes. In the end, it's a whole lot of breathlessness about veganism will "fix diabetes". Of course, no citations, or cited articles that are completely 180deg out of phase. I know what worked for me, was a form of Atkins diet (extremely low carbohydrate diet) backed up with my glucometer. I plot trends of foo…

How many carbs a day do you stick to?

Total carbs, I'm not entirely sure. My body reacts to Net Carbs, which is (Total - Fiber). As for net carbs, I eat anywhere from 5-15g

Some diabetics cannot subtract fiber, because they respond to the whole load via their glucometer. Fortunately, I'm not one of them.

Re: A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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I haven't heard of ChREBP before. Is it something that has been well known in the research community for awhile? Has there been consensus as to its role in the disease pathway, or is it recent? (I took two semesters of immunology in my biochem undergrad--courses that I would have expected to cover this. I was never exposed to literature or material on this protein. I also haven't heard of it in the primary literature…

The most major finding, which appears to be this: > The study found that fructose initiates a process that causes the liver to keep making glucose and raising blood glucose levels, even as insulin tries to keep glucose production in check. Is not ground-breaking. It's how the liver metabolizes fructose. The liver can't respond to insulin because it needs to metabolize the fructose.

I don't think that's fair. This is just a press publication; we'd need the actual paper to see what its specific claims are. Besides, very little in science is "ground-breaking" at first. Scientific progress happens most often through an accumulation of evidence over time.

Re: A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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My capstone project was actually about how sugar affects metabolism. There is a lot of interesting research and unexpected interactions in this area.

One of the things that is most interesting is that they have found the same proteins that form our taste buds in the walls of our small intestine. It appears that the gut "tastes" food and "tells" the body what kind of food is coming and how to prepare for it. One of these pathways ends up producing insulin.

The interesting thing when it comes to sugar is that sweetness is not directly correlated with caloric content (or glycemic index, which is the measure of the sugar insulin actually works on). An obvious example are artificial sugars, which taste incredibly sweet and have zero calories. Natural sugars vary in sweetness as well though - using sucrose/table sugar as a baseline, fructose is 1.73 times sweeter for its caloric content. Furthermore, fructose a glycemic index of 19, compared to 55 for table sugar.

This is really interesting because body regulates hormone levels with feedback loops. So, if the taste buds in your gut taste sweetness and initially trigger a release of insulin that would be appropriate for table sugar, you could have 5 times more insulin floating around in your blood stream than your body was expecting. This might trigger some of these sugar taste buds to stop sending the signal to release insulin when they taste sweetness.

Worst case scenario is when someone drinks a diet pop on an empty stomach. All of the sudden there is the HUGE burst of sweetness, with no sugar in the bloodstream for the insulin to bind to.

This might seem very speculative, but there is some physical evidence that the body actually behaves this way. When a gastric bypass is preformed, a length of the small intestine closest to the stomach is removed. This section would have the most deactivated "taste buds", since it would be receiving the full load of unabsorbed sugars from the stomach. "Taste buds" further down the small intestine would not be deactivated because they haven't been triggering falsely.

Indeed, after the surgery, people appear to lose weight much faster than expected based on their previous metabolic rate, and their diabetic symptoms decrease far more than expected as well.

The question I get asked the most after talking about this is whether it's better to drink diet pop or normal pop. Unfortunately, it appears the best thing to do is to not drink pop at all. Limiting your sugar intake is a good idea for a lot of reasons, and soda is just far too sweet and/or too sugary to be healthy as a regular part of your diet.

Re: A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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My capstone project was actually about how sugar affects metabolism. There is a lot of interesting research and unexpected interactions in this area. One of the things that is most interesting is that they have found the same proteins that form our taste buds in the walls of our small intestine. It appears that the gut "tastes" food and "tells" the body what kind of food is coming and how to prepare for it. One of th…

Can you actually measure an insulin spike for a fasting person that eats or drinks some artificial sweeteners?

Re: A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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The connection to the consumption of animal products to diabetes is rarely the focus but we know there is a big connection. Consider Kempner's Rice Diet which used sugar to successfully treat diabetes! So I doubt sugar is a sufficient condition. This is politics not science.

I've never heard of a connection between consuming animal products and diabetes. Perhaps you can expand on this.

Read this for your health. Disregard the BS about veganism vs paelo. http://www.forksoverknives.com/fat-insulin-resistance-blood-...

Re: A theory on how insulin resistance, metabolic disease begin

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How many carbs a day do you stick to?

Total carbs, I'm not entirely sure. My body reacts to Net Carbs, which is (Total - Fiber). As for net carbs, I eat anywhere from 5-15g Some diabetics cannot subtract fiber, because they respond to the whole load via their glucometer. Fortunately, I'm not one of them.

Ah, you're pretty strictly keto then. I try to follow keto and have had good success with it, but after a month of strict 20 grams of carbs or less, I've relaxed it a bit and I often creep up to 30 or 40 net grams of carbs a day.

Still feeling great and losing weight, although perhaps I'd lose a bit faster if I remained stricter about it. I'm also not diabetic, although my A1C numbers were getting close to prediabetes levels before I started the diet. I expect that to drop the next time I get my blood checked, though.

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