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Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by tmptmp »

threeseed wrote: post #7

Not sure why this is being posted on HN but anyway. Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world.

>>Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world.

Need to change slightly. I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world.

But I, only because am a woman, and because the barbaric Islamic sharia law treats women as second class citizens, have to wear hijab/burqa in Iran (or other Islmaic country). Welcome to Islam.

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Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by aikah »

mkaziz wrote: post #8
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #3

Is there an example of a social norm that is acceptable in Iran, but would get you jailed in, say, Germany?

Wearing a burkini would get you in trouble in France, I hear.

> Wearing a burkini would get you in trouble in France, I hear.

No, these city laws have been struck down by a higher authority. You can't wear a burka or a niqab though I still see women wearing that stuff in Paris suburbs, granted in places where 90% of the population is muslim and no non-muslim would dare live in.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by jimmywanger »

aikah wrote: post #10
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #3

Is there an example of a social norm that is acceptable in Iran, but would get you jailed in, say, Germany?

Are we talking about social norms or the law in Iran ? because they are not the same thing. Are women required to cover their head in public in Iran, by law?

http://www.mei.edu/content/article/irans-headscarf-politics

No, it's a law. You don't just get the side-eye, you might serve some time.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by crazygringo »

threeseed wrote: post #7

Not sure why this is being posted on HN but anyway. Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world.

Slavery is a cultural norm. Racism a cultural norm. Sexism a cultural norm.

Just because something's a cultural norm doesn't mean you should accept it.

Social progress is made by fighting against cultural norms that treat groups of people as second-class citizens.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by toomanybeersies »

tmptmp wrote: post #11
threeseed wrote: post #7

Not sure why this is being posted on HN but anyway. Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world.

>>Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world. Need to change slightly . I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I, wh…

Because I am a man, I am allowed to be topless outside in NYC. I wouldn't if I was a woman.

The hijab worn in Iran is a lot less restrictive than the hijab worn in a lost of other Muslim countries. I would join in the outrage if the chess players were forced to wear a niqab, but requiring people to wear a loose headscarf is hardly oppression of the worst degree.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by 11thEarlOfMar »

rch wrote: post #15
aaron695 wrote: post #12

Can a female from Papua New Guinea play without wearing a shirt in the "ultra religious" country of the USA?

In Boulder, yes; absolutely.

Yup, and no one got arrested in San Francisco, either (SFW, but barely):

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Go-Topless-Day-sf-nude-nu...

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by arcanus »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #17
tmptmp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world. Need to change slightly . I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I, wh…

Because I am a man, I am allowed to be topless outside in NYC. I wouldn't if I was a woman. The hijab worn in Iran is a lot less restrictive than the hijab worn in a lost of other Muslim countries. I would join in the outrage if the chess players were forced to wear a niqab, but requiring people to wear a loose headscarf is hardly oppression of the worst degree.

> hardly oppression of the worst degree.

The symbolism is what is important. A government that tells you what to dress will certainly not stop with benign restrictions.

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