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Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by Frazzydee » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:16 AM UTC

romland wrote: post #4

apphacker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not available in the store yet.

On the competition page it does say When do you think Opera Mini will be approved by Apple?

And the last status update says "Opera Mini for iPhone was officially submitted to the [app store]".

Although I find this hard to believe, signs point to Opera being late in updating the page. The time in Norway is 2:15 AM, but still...

Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by kordless » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:17 AM UTC

barredo wrote: post #8

Link to the AppStore http://itunes.apple.com/uk/app/opera-mini-web-browser/id3637... — It's not as fast as I expected, but still For now: "un-zommed" content is unreadable, for instance, nytimes.com in Opera http://cl.ly/JIP vs Safari Mobile: http://cl.ly/J9i (which is also unreadable, but well, I can distinct letters)

Says "not currently available in the US store".

Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by cgranade » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:17 AM UTC

IgorPartola wrote: post #10

gbookman wrote: post #7

They must've planned this as a way to placate pissed off app developers.

They don't give a crap about the developers or what the developers think about them.

They should, or else they'll lose developers to a platform run by a company that does.

Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by micrypt » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:20 AM UTC

alextgordon wrote: post #2

The counter is still counting... http://my.opera.com/community/countup/ edit: They've added a message, although the counter is still going

Just enough time to send in a last minute guess then? :P

Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by stanleydrew » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:22 AM UTC

cgranade wrote: post #13

IgorPartola wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't give a crap about the developers or what the developers think about them.

They should, or else they'll lose developers to a platform run by a company that does.

Hopefully...

Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by sirn » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:25 AM UTC

stanleydrew wrote: post #6

Does the Opera browser app itself not interpret javascript? Is it offloaded to the iPhone's WebKit/rendering engine? Otherwise this would seem to fly in the face of the recent change to 3.3.1.

Think of Opera Mini as an interactive image viewer. They interpret all JavaScript on the server side and sent result back to the client using OBML[1]. Or at least that's how it works on other device.

  [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_Mini#Functionality

Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by chrisbolt » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:27 AM UTC

barredo wrote: post #8

Link to the AppStore http://itunes.apple.com/uk/app/opera-mini-web-browser/id3637... — It's not as fast as I expected, but still For now: "un-zommed" content is unreadable, for instance, nytimes.com in Opera http://cl.ly/JIP vs Safari Mobile: http://cl.ly/J9i (which is also unreadable, but well, I can distinct letters)

Both of your screenshots appear to be of Opera.

Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by lmkg » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:28 AM UTC

stanleydrew wrote: post #6

Does the Opera browser app itself not interpret javascript? Is it offloaded to the iPhone's WebKit/rendering engine? Otherwise this would seem to fly in the face of the recent change to 3.3.1.

The app is Opera Mini, not Opera Mobile, so no, it does not. Opera Mini is a proxy browser: all the heavy lifting, including JavaScript and most rendering, happens on one of Opera's proxy servers. The Opera Mini app receives a heavily pre-processed and compressed version of the webpage, in some custom data format. The app itself only does rendering, not processing or interpreting.

Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by DerekLedbetter » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:28 AM UTC

stanleydrew wrote: post #6

Does the Opera browser app itself not interpret javascript? Is it offloaded to the iPhone's WebKit/rendering engine? Otherwise this would seem to fly in the face of the recent change to 3.3.1.

No, the Opera app does not run JavaScript itself. The app communicates to Opera's server, and it's the server that does HTTP with the website, runs the JavaScript, and compresses the HTML and sends it down to the app.

The restriction on downloading and executing code has been in the developer agreement since the beginning. It's not a recent thing.

Re: Opera Mini approved for iPhone

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Post by stanleydrew » Tue, Apr 13, 2010, 12:29 AM UTC

sirn wrote: post #16

stanleydrew wrote: post #6

Does the Opera browser app itself not interpret javascript? Is it offloaded to the iPhone's WebKit/rendering engine? Otherwise this would seem to fly in the face of the recent change to 3.3.1.

Think of Opera Mini as an interactive image viewer. They interpret all JavaScript on the server side and sent result back to the client using OBML[1]. Or at least that's how it works on other device. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_Mini#Functionality

Interesting. The section on JavaScript support is not encouraging actually. Can anyone report on attempting to use a js-heavy web-app through Opera Mini, e.g. Gmail?