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Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by aroch » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 11:29 AM UTC

dazbradbury wrote: post #5

For those in London wondering where is best for UK based customers, it seems, for London at least, this could be an improvement over Dublin (where Frankfurt is slower), as Paris is roughly 70 miles closer. Of course, depending on where / when [1] a UK-based data centre is released, I'd imagine that would be faster still. Currently Ireland vs. Frankfurt is (more data needed of course)[2]: Europe (Ireland): 25 ms 27 ms…

For anyone using Virgin Media as their ISP, the Dublin DC will perform more predictably, if not faster, because of VM's "give preference to data originating inside the UK/Ireland and don't give two shits about anything else" attitude.

If you run a data heavy service, PoP inside the UK or Ireland is a must if you want to avoid throttling and heavy-handed traffic shapping.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by noplay » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 11:40 AM UTC

widforss wrote: post #9

What is the state of the temporary spy laws in France? Shouldn't it at least be mentioned in the announcement that the french government can pretty much ask Amazon for any of your data without a warrant. Or is the situation better than a year ago? EDIT: Warrant is apparently needed as noplay said.

They need warrant to get access to your server. What they can do is to collect metadata in some points of the network, they don't need amazon to do that, because they target end users.

But it's probably not a good idea to host in France if you have not reason to do that. Like NSA, french secret service just don't care about laws. But if you target french customer that's good news you have one more alternative for hosting without trouble with regulation about data.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by jonatron » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 11:42 AM UTC

dazbradbury wrote: post #5

For those in London wondering where is best for UK based customers, it seems, for London at least, this could be an improvement over Dublin (where Frankfurt is slower), as Paris is roughly 70 miles closer. Of course, depending on where / when [1] a UK-based data centre is released, I'd imagine that would be faster still. Currently Ireland vs. Frankfurt is (more data needed of course)[2]: Europe (Ireland): 25 ms 27 ms…

From London: (To Frankfurt) --- dynamodb.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 100 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 20.431/26.779/80.987/8.822 ms

(To Ireland) --- dynamodb.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 100 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 15.306/22.425/63.455/9.655 ms

To Softlayer Paris: --- speedtest.par01.softlayer.com ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 100 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 12.082/16.196/54.741/7.652 ms

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by alicewales » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 11:49 AM UTC

timv wrote: post #10

dazbradbury wrote: post #5

For those in London wondering where is best for UK based customers, it seems, for London at least, this could be an improvement over Dublin (where Frankfurt is slower), as Paris is roughly 70 miles closer. Of course, depending on where / when [1] a UK-based data centre is released, I'd imagine that would be faster still. Currently Ireland vs. Frankfurt is (more data needed of course)[2]: Europe (Ireland): 25 ms 27 ms…

> Article states UK region "due in coming months". No location announced? At the bottom of the English section it says it's London The new European region, coupled with the existing AWS Regions in Dublin and Frankfurt, and a future one in London,

It's hardly surprising. Everything on the UK internet goes through London anyway. If you have a DC in Manchester and an end-user in Liverpool, the link normally goes Manchester - London - Liverpool.

It's not a great situation, having everything so centralised on London, but it's a small enough country that it doesn't have a huge effect on latency. It would make no sense for AWS to locate in a non-London region when everything would then have to be backhauled to London.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by madeofpalk » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 11:54 AM UTC

rloc wrote: post #3

This is great. I operate a French website targeted to French customers, this will improve latency compared to Ireland. This might also allow for mixing critical server roles hosted in other Paris data centers with AWS. I'm thinking about connecting a web server (in AWS) with a DB server (in another Paris DC) while keeping the latency at a low level.

> (in another Paris DC)

For bonus points, choose the same DC that AWS is actually in http://www.equinix.com/locations/france-colocation/france-da...

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by rloc » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 12:00 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #15

rloc wrote: post #3

This is great. I operate a French website targeted to French customers, this will improve latency compared to Ireland. This might also allow for mixing critical server roles hosted in other Paris data centers with AWS. I'm thinking about connecting a web server (in AWS) with a DB server (in another Paris DC) while keeping the latency at a low level.

> (in another Paris DC) For bonus points, choose the same DC that AWS is actually in http://www.equinix.com/locations/france-colocation/france-da...

Mmmm interesting. I have servers there: http://www.iliad-datacenter.com/ in DC3.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by arviewer » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 12:05 PM UTC

5h wrote: post #4

Still no further info on the London region since their announcement post[1] said: > Today, I am excited to add the United Kingdom to that list! The AWS UK region will be our third in the European Union (EU), and we're shooting to have it ready by the end of 2016 (or early 2017). This region will provide even lower latency and strong data sovereignty to local users. [1] http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2015/11/aws-…

Yes, they confirmed it here:

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-in-2017-new-aws-regi...

> This will be the fourth AWS Region in Europe. We currently have two other Regions in Europe — EU (Ireland) and EU (Frankfurt) and an additional Region in the UK expected to launch in the coming months.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by arviewer » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 12:05 PM UTC

dazc wrote: post #7

5h wrote: post #4

Still no further info on the London region since their announcement post[1] said: > Today, I am excited to add the United Kingdom to that list! The AWS UK region will be our third in the European Union (EU), and we're shooting to have it ready by the end of 2016 (or early 2017). This region will provide even lower latency and strong data sovereignty to local users. [1] http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2015/11/aws-…

Since UK is about to be outside of the EU it's likely this has been put on hold? I don't know what the facts are but I'm guessing the UK accounts for a large slice of data currently being routed via Ireland, so it isn't going to be on hold for long?

No it's not on hold: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-in-2017-new-aws-regi...

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by arviewer » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 12:07 PM UTC

dazbradbury wrote: post #5

For those in London wondering where is best for UK based customers, it seems, for London at least, this could be an improvement over Dublin (where Frankfurt is slower), as Paris is roughly 70 miles closer. Of course, depending on where / when [1] a UK-based data centre is released, I'd imagine that would be faster still. Currently Ireland vs. Frankfurt is (more data needed of course)[2]: Europe (Ireland): 25 ms 27 ms…

AWS in London is coming within months, so if latency to London is your concern, that's not an issue anymore.

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-in-2017-new-aws-regi...

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by inopinatus » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 12:07 PM UTC

alicewales wrote: post #14

timv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Article states UK region "due in coming months". No location announced? At the bottom of the English section it says it's London The new European region, coupled with the existing AWS Regions in Dublin and Frankfurt, and a future one in London,

It's hardly surprising. Everything on the UK internet goes through London anyway. If you have a DC in Manchester and an end-user in Liverpool, the link normally goes Manchester - London - Liverpool. It's not a great situation, having everything so centralised on London, but it's a small enough country that it doesn't have a huge effect on latency. It would make no sense for AWS to locate in a non-London region when e…

Not every decision is about cost minimisation. There's a resiliency motivation to place DCs in separate flood plains and separate power grids if possible. Whether AWS is following that, I cannot say.