Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything. • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by confuzatron » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:16 PM UTC

fizx wrote: post #8

a2tech wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats true-you don't have to respect or understand their point of view. If you don't respect or want to understand their reasons for the decisions they're making, perhaps you shouldn't be developing apps for the platform. And if you're not developing apps for the platform then you have no grounds on which to bitch and moan.

I have no grounds to voice my opinions and advocate for the world I wish to live in. Thanks for setting me straight a2tech!

Love it or leave it, dude.

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by clawrencewenham » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:18 PM UTC

dpcan wrote: post #6

Hmm, I didn't see exactly how the article fit the headline, except that he thinks we should stop crying fowl about Apple telling us how to do our jobs. BULL!! Apple has been using "Apps" to sell its super successful phone. Without its developers and robust App store, the iPhone would hardly be in second place IMO. Apple OWES US EVERYTHING! I don't own an iPhone because I like the shitty keyboard or because of AT&T an…

Apple has been jumping through hoops to help their developers, but the developers are acting like spoiled brats who see the iPhone as just a small Mac.

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by stanleydrew » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:19 PM UTC

clawrencewenham wrote: post #9

stanleydrew wrote: post #2

I also don't owe Apple anything. For instance, respect and understanding.

It's the lack of understanding that's the problem.

Perhaps I should have said empathy.

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by treyp » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:20 PM UTC

fizx wrote: post #8

a2tech wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats true-you don't have to respect or understand their point of view. If you don't respect or want to understand their reasons for the decisions they're making, perhaps you shouldn't be developing apps for the platform. And if you're not developing apps for the platform then you have no grounds on which to bitch and moan.

I have no grounds to voice my opinions and advocate for the world I wish to live in. Thanks for setting me straight a2tech!

Yeah, isn't this a straw man? Nobody has claimed Apple owes them anything. They're just voicing their opinions to make the community a better place.

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by Tichy » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:23 PM UTC

There is such a thing as trust and reputation, though. I don't owe Apple anything, either. And if I can't have faith in them approving my app in the future, I'll think twice about investing in their platform. That is not moaning and complaining, it is simply business.

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by raganwald » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:25 PM UTC

While I agree with the author that "Apple doesn't owe me anything," reading past the title I didn't find that more words added value to what ought to be a tweet, not an essay.

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by alex_c » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:28 PM UTC

I will never understand this mentality. If there's a situation I don't like, I shouldn't do whatever I can to improve it? If someone does something I think is wrong, I should keep my mouth shut because they "don't owe me anything"? After all, there are plenty of other people in the world, I should just associate with the other ones.

Apple is looking after their self-interest, and I am looking after mine. I don't see why it falls on a random blogger to tell me whether my self-interests are best served by complaining online or not.

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by docgnome » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:28 PM UTC

clawrencewenham wrote: post #12

dpcan wrote: post #6

Hmm, I didn't see exactly how the article fit the headline, except that he thinks we should stop crying fowl about Apple telling us how to do our jobs. BULL!! Apple has been using "Apps" to sell its super successful phone. Without its developers and robust App store, the iPhone would hardly be in second place IMO. Apple OWES US EVERYTHING! I don't own an iPhone because I like the shitty keyboard or because of AT&T an…

Apple has been jumping through hoops to help their developers, but the developers are acting like spoiled brats who see the iPhone as just a small Mac.

Just curious, but can you cite an example of Apple jumping through hoops to help their developers?

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by jasonlotito » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:29 PM UTC

clawrencewenham wrote: post #12

dpcan wrote: post #6

Hmm, I didn't see exactly how the article fit the headline, except that he thinks we should stop crying fowl about Apple telling us how to do our jobs. BULL!! Apple has been using "Apps" to sell its super successful phone. Without its developers and robust App store, the iPhone would hardly be in second place IMO. Apple OWES US EVERYTHING! I don't own an iPhone because I like the shitty keyboard or because of AT&T an…

Apple has been jumping through hoops to help their developers, but the developers are acting like spoiled brats who see the iPhone as just a small Mac.

No, not really. Not at all. Microsoft is developer friendly. Microsoft jumps through hoops to help their developers. Apple has a LONG history of not working with developers the way MS does. Apple doesn't work with developers, it tolerates them. If Apple could do it all in house, they would.

Re: Apple Doesn't Owe You Anything.

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Post by bitdiddle » Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 4:33 PM UTC

raganwald wrote: post #16

While I agree with the author that "Apple doesn't owe me anything," reading past the title I didn't find that more words added value to what ought to be a tweet, not an essay.

+1