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U.S. Accuses Tech Firm of Bias Against Asian Software Engineers

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#11
I wonder if this isn't some long lingering reverberation of the interment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Is this the influence of the institutional memory of the US government security community?

Alternatively, this could be the natural result of defensive measures against a concerted effort on the part of e.g. the Chinese government to place people inside of an organization that deals with a lot of secure data.

It's probably reasonable to assume the worst (naked racism), but you never know.

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I've always wondered why many of the larger tech firms don't have anonymous interviewing. Wouldn't it be pretty trivial to implement? You could just have the candidate go into a room with a computer with no internet access and type out answers to algorithmic questions. The instructions could be delivered via typed text. It would be incredibly impersonal, but it would be hard to discern personality given the industry'…

> anonymous interviewing

This goes against the entire reason you interview.

This is not about hiring a mechanical labourer (Musician, Factor worker, Computer Repairer) it's about professionals which is team work.

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#13
https://www.dol.gov/sites/default/files/newsroom/newsrelease...

The article implies they preferred white candidates, but the preferred races are not mentioned in the government's press release, simply "non-Asian." I would not jump to conclusions about the non-Asian candidates as there are other possible scenarios.

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unconscious bias, conscious bias, outright discrimination. What a quagmire of human existence these topics drift into eh? No secret, I'm a 51 year old black man living in America. I've been in "high tech" all my life (Commodore Pet). I've run my own company, and worked in and around others, and now reside at Microsoft. My current non-tech mission is the promotion of diversity in hiring in core tech jobs http://www.in…

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post #13

https://www.dol.gov/sites/default/files/newsroom/newsrelease... The article implies they preferred white candidates, but the preferred races are not mentioned in the government's press release, simply "non-Asian." I would not jump to conclusions about the non-Asian candidates as there are other possible scenarios.

Yep...With companies attempting to appear diverse in I.T., that means a company needs to hire less Asians AND less white people in IT.

They could have been trying to prefer black, Hispanic, or Native American to boost up their diversity numbers.

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#16
"“The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in 3.4 million,” the Labor Department said in its complaint."

Which is obviously BS.

They are heavily correlated, not independent events.

At a guess most studied at universities in country X known for it's sub quality education.

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post #8

I've always wondered why many of the larger tech firms don't have anonymous interviewing. Wouldn't it be pretty trivial to implement? You could just have the candidate go into a room with a computer with no internet access and type out answers to algorithmic questions. The instructions could be delivered via typed text. It would be incredibly impersonal, but it would be hard to discern personality given the industry'…

> anonymous interviewing This goes against the entire reason you interview. This is not about hiring a mechanical labourer (Musician, Factor worker, Computer Repairer) it's about professionals which is team work.

I think this is the first time I've seen a musician called a mechanical worker. Ensemble music is teamwork, and good solo music isn't mechanical either.

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post #14

unconscious bias, conscious bias, outright discrimination. What a quagmire of human existence these topics drift into eh? No secret, I'm a 51 year old black man living in America. I've been in "high tech" all my life (Commodore Pet). I've run my own company, and worked in and around others, and now reside at Microsoft. My current non-tech mission is the promotion of diversity in hiring in core tech jobs http://www.in…

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I'm personally not into diversity for diversity's sake, because I'm not quite sure what that is.

What I am for is equal opportunities. In some instances, giving that "equal" to one set of people requires work because they have been put on an unequal footing for some time. This was true in America for blacks because the origin of blacks was slavery (blacks were considered chattle, nothing more than cows, pigs, and goats). That kind of disadvantage requires some amount of work to overcome. The voting rights act wasn't enacted until 1965, the year after I was born, so that's something to consider.

With respect to tech, it's really easy for me. The back of my employment badge has our company's mission statement: Empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more.

I believe we greatly enhance our ability to do that by creating a more inclusive and diverse workforce. It's not simply about DNA diversity (women and 'minorities'), but it's also a diversity of experiences, from around the world. I'm willing to take the math major from Tunisia and teach them to be a great coder so they can contribute their experience to our mission, and help create software that's appropriate for their origin.

So, long answer I guess.

To me, everything is about learning and growth (probably due to my current age). So, I see your experience in Oakland, and say "great, you've gained another perspective on life". Let's see what you can do with it.

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