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TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different name, say EU ministers

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Re: TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different name, say EU ministers

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Post by xg15 »

aerique wrote: post #5
krylon wrote: post #3

> European Union ministers today admitted that a giant EU-US trade deal is dead in its current form , with drastic change needed to salvage any hope of a deal going ahead. The devil, as always, is in the fine print - a cynic might read that to mean "TTIP has gotten such a bad reputation we would rather wait a few more years so the public forgets all about it, then try again." In fact, I am tempted to quote Lovecraft…

The name escapes me for a moment but they're already working on a new secret deal. (Since 2012, so that's why they're so easily letting go of TTIP.)

TISA? (Though that one isn't EU-US but has a much wider range from what I've read)

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Post by singularity2001 »

krylon wrote: post #3

> European Union ministers today admitted that a giant EU-US trade deal is dead in its current form , with drastic change needed to salvage any hope of a deal going ahead. The devil, as always, is in the fine print - a cynic might read that to mean "TTIP has gotten such a bad reputation we would rather wait a few more years so the public forgets all about it, then try again." In fact, I am tempted to quote Lovecraft…

They have realized that multinational corporations can screw the citizens of the EU just as well through CETA, which is about to get ratified on October 27.

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Post by pipio21 »

krylon wrote: post #3

> European Union ministers today admitted that a giant EU-US trade deal is dead in its current form , with drastic change needed to salvage any hope of a deal going ahead. The devil, as always, is in the fine print - a cynic might read that to mean "TTIP has gotten such a bad reputation we would rather wait a few more years so the public forgets all about it, then try again." In fact, I am tempted to quote Lovecraft…

There is nothing wrong about trade deals per se.

I am not against any trade deals, but against this particular deal with those particular conditions because of some particular reasons.

Re: TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different name, say EU ministers

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Post by aerique »

xg15 wrote: post #11
aerique wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The name escapes me for a moment but they're already working on a new secret deal. (Since 2012, so that's why they're so easily letting go of TTIP.)

TISA? (Though that one isn't EU-US but has a much wider range from what I've read)

Yes, I just looked it up and was about to edit my comment. Here's an article in Dutch about about TiSa: http://sargasso.nl/tisa-bijl-aan-wortel-democratie/

Re: TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different name, say EU ministers

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Post by StavrosK »

krylon wrote: post #3

> European Union ministers today admitted that a giant EU-US trade deal is dead in its current form , with drastic change needed to salvage any hope of a deal going ahead. The devil, as always, is in the fine print - a cynic might read that to mean "TTIP has gotten such a bad reputation we would rather wait a few more years so the public forgets all about it, then try again." In fact, I am tempted to quote Lovecraft…

Offtopic, but does anyone else find Lovecraft too over-the-top? I know that many people like him, but it gets tiresome that everything is nameless, frightful, indescribable, hideous, hellish, monstrous, indescribable, etc. He's not very subtle at all with his descriptions, even a house that was previously established as super creepy gets an "abominable" when referring to it.

I found him so over the top that I wanted to confirm my hunch experimentally, and made a list of the 150 most prominent words in his opus. It is unsurprising:

https://i.imgur.com/pUUzFCJ.png

Re: TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different name, say EU ministers

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Post by sam4ritan »

krylon wrote: post #3

> European Union ministers today admitted that a giant EU-US trade deal is dead in its current form , with drastic change needed to salvage any hope of a deal going ahead. The devil, as always, is in the fine print - a cynic might read that to mean "TTIP has gotten such a bad reputation we would rather wait a few more years so the public forgets all about it, then try again." In fact, I am tempted to quote Lovecraft…

Well, thats what happened to ACTA too, isn't it?

A lot of the stuff that was in there got reused in TTIP.

Re: TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different name, say EU ministers

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

aerique wrote: post #5
krylon wrote: post #3

> European Union ministers today admitted that a giant EU-US trade deal is dead in its current form , with drastic change needed to salvage any hope of a deal going ahead. The devil, as always, is in the fine print - a cynic might read that to mean "TTIP has gotten such a bad reputation we would rather wait a few more years so the public forgets all about it, then try again." In fact, I am tempted to quote Lovecraft…

The name escapes me for a moment but they're already working on a new secret deal. (Since 2012, so that's why they're so easily letting go of TTIP.)

What do you mean by "secret"? All negotations are listed on the information page of the commission.

Re: TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different name, say EU ministers

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

sam4ritan wrote: post #17
krylon wrote: post #3

> European Union ministers today admitted that a giant EU-US trade deal is dead in its current form , with drastic change needed to salvage any hope of a deal going ahead. The devil, as always, is in the fine print - a cynic might read that to mean "TTIP has gotten such a bad reputation we would rather wait a few more years so the public forgets all about it, then try again." In fact, I am tempted to quote Lovecraft…

Well, thats what happened to ACTA too, isn't it? A lot of the stuff that was in there got reused in TTIP.

I don't see the overlap of ACTA with TTIP.
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