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Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Re: Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Post by manyxcxi »

jobu wrote: post #9

"It has long been Mobileye's position that Tesla's Autopilot should not be allowed to operate hands-free without proper and substantial technological restrictions and limitations," said the company's most recent statement, adding: "In communications dating back to May 2015 between Mobileye Chairman and Tesla's CEO, Mobileye expressed safety concerns regarding the use of Autopilot hands-free." That seems a bit damning…

I'm no Luddite but I basically yelled at my business partner the other day when he took his hands off the wheel, eyes off the road, and was punching out an email as if we were on the train.

I've done plenty of computer vision projects and pitched in on some autonomous driving/flying hobby projects- so I'm definitely willing to accept our robot driving overlords, but maybe I know just enough about it to know we're not all the way there yet.

I feel like Tesla is in a bit of a Catch-22 in that to get the system better you want as many people driving with it and feeding you data. At the same time people are people and they will get lulled into a complacent state and begin not paying attention pretty quickly.

That being said, if there was some data that said right now, today, Tesla autopilot is better than the average (or maybe up to the 75th percentile) driver, I'd be okay with people just letting it take the wheel and not screwing things up.

EDIT: Just to be clear, we were in a Tesla w/ autopilot. We weren't just coasting down the highway at rush hour in a regular car.

Re: Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Post by zeroecco »

ugh, more ME noise. so ME has a lot of evidence that they are lying through their teeth, if they were so worried why let all the other brands do the hands free thing? http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-co...

* ME boasting about their tech making hands free possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCMXXXmxG-I&feature=youtu.be...

Re: Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Post by [deleted] »

manyxcxi wrote: post #11
jobu wrote: post #9

"It has long been Mobileye's position that Tesla's Autopilot should not be allowed to operate hands-free without proper and substantial technological restrictions and limitations," said the company's most recent statement, adding: "In communications dating back to May 2015 between Mobileye Chairman and Tesla's CEO, Mobileye expressed safety concerns regarding the use of Autopilot hands-free." That seems a bit damning…

I'm no Luddite but I basically yelled at my business partner the other day when he took his hands off the wheel, eyes off the road, and was punching out an email as if we were on the train. I've done plenty of computer vision projects and pitched in on some autonomous driving/flying hobby projects- so I'm definitely willing to accept our robot driving overlords, but maybe I know just enough about it to know we're not…

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Re: Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Post by foofoo55 »

manyxcxi wrote: post #11
jobu wrote: post #9

"It has long been Mobileye's position that Tesla's Autopilot should not be allowed to operate hands-free without proper and substantial technological restrictions and limitations," said the company's most recent statement, adding: "In communications dating back to May 2015 between Mobileye Chairman and Tesla's CEO, Mobileye expressed safety concerns regarding the use of Autopilot hands-free." That seems a bit damning…

I'm no Luddite but I basically yelled at my business partner the other day when he took his hands off the wheel, eyes off the road, and was punching out an email as if we were on the train. I've done plenty of computer vision projects and pitched in on some autonomous driving/flying hobby projects- so I'm definitely willing to accept our robot driving overlords, but maybe I know just enough about it to know we're not…

Tesla could gets lots of quality data with the autopilot disengaged and running in a passive state such that the autopilot's calculations are compared to the human driver's actions. Any large variances (such as the autopilot wanting to suddenly veer left when the driver didn't) would be very valuable. I've done this with experimental machine control algorithms a number of times.

Re: Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Post by DiabloD3 »

throwanem wrote: post #10
RickS wrote: post #2

At the risk of fulfilling the "HN loves tesla" stereotype, I find it really difficult to take seriously an article that begins with a photo that was very clearly chosen to be unflattering, captioned "Overlord". That kind of flagrant skew poisons the credibility of everything else around it.

That's the Register for you. Having followed their work for well over a decade now, I might suggest there's a certain element of haste in discounting their coverage on the basis of their deliberately irreverent style. It's not that they're not nice to Elon Musk; they're not nice to anyone .

At least they are consistent, then.

Re: Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Post by throwanem »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #15
throwanem wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the Register for you. Having followed their work for well over a decade now, I might suggest there's a certain element of haste in discounting their coverage on the basis of their deliberately irreverent style. It's not that they're not nice to Elon Musk; they're not nice to anyone .

At least they are consistent, then.

Not only that, but a pleasantly bracing chaser for the sort of uncritical, even fawning, coverage that's so often lavished on the subjects of their articles. But there's no accounting for taste, of course.

Re: Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Post by throwanem »

terravion wrote: post #5
RickS wrote: post #2

At the risk of fulfilling the "HN loves tesla" stereotype, I find it really difficult to take seriously an article that begins with a photo that was very clearly chosen to be unflattering, captioned "Overlord". That kind of flagrant skew poisons the credibility of everything else around it.

Also, what about more balanced and critical coverage of Mobile Eye and their previously fawning statements of how they loved working with such an aggressive customer like Tesla ...it somewhat undermines their position.

I'd be interested to read such articles! Where may I find them, do you know? It's always such a pain with search engines to try to find older information on a topic that's big in the current news cycle.

Re: Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Post by TheShadowRunner »

jobu wrote: post #9

"It has long been Mobileye's position that Tesla's Autopilot should not be allowed to operate hands-free without proper and substantial technological restrictions and limitations," said the company's most recent statement, adding: "In communications dating back to May 2015 between Mobileye Chairman and Tesla's CEO, Mobileye expressed safety concerns regarding the use of Autopilot hands-free." That seems a bit damning…

/r/TeslaMotors dug up this video[1] of MobilEye CEO talking about the Autopilot, so if they really disagreed with the usage of Autopilot, shouldn't they have brought that up prior, and not included it in promotional material. From all indications on their end, I believe that they said that the Tesla Autopilot shouldn't be driven hands-free. I have no qualms with that, but why then use the Autopilot as a promotional feature for their products? Not trying to fanboy with Tesla here, as I do think that MobilEye was right in pulling their products away from Tesla.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCMXXXmxG-I

Re: Is Tesla telling us the truth over autopilot spat?

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Post by tbabb »

I do my best to mentally invert the Tesla/Musk hype, and my own affinity for what they do, but:

1) It doesn't seem like Tesla was dishonest about anything.

2) MobilEye seems to be very whiny/wimpy about getting a tiny, indirect fraction of the flak that Tesla has gotten for the crash.

Seems like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline... applies.

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