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Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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Low birthrates, low marriage rates, sure that's a problem for a nation. But I don't think virginity need be a problem. If one wants to wait until they meet their right partner why not? Data shows this leads to stronger bonds (though the causation is unknown and may be something like religion). It's not like more premarital sex even correlates to higher birth rates. If fact for first world countries the correlation ha…

I suspect it isn't about the kids. Or even sex. I suspect it is about old people. The period of one's life during which one must take care of elderly parents and grandparents is growing. Many people of marrying age are in families with several elderly people to care for. They aren't free to move out and start their own households. If I am correct, the answer isn't more child care but more government-backed elder care…

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Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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post #3

Low birthrates, low marriage rates, sure that's a problem for a nation. But I don't think virginity need be a problem. If one wants to wait until they meet their right partner why not? Data shows this leads to stronger bonds (though the causation is unknown and may be something like religion). It's not like more premarital sex even correlates to higher birth rates. If fact for first world countries the correlation ha…

I suspect it isn't about the kids. Or even sex. I suspect it is about old people. The period of one's life during which one must take care of elderly parents and grandparents is growing. Many people of marrying age are in families with several elderly people to care for. They aren't free to move out and start their own households. If I am correct, the answer isn't more child care but more government-backed elder care…

> They aren't free to move out and start their own households

Why is that a problem? You don't need to live separately from your parents or grandparents in order to get married. Multi-generational households were the norm until very recently. Also, given that the elderly are much healthier now than in the past, they may not need as much care.

Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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Having relationship in Japan can be tough when a lot of people are under non-permanent employment which they would get paid less and is unstable. Even if one's lucky enough to have a stable job, there is a problem of practically mandatory overtime (which, incidentally, can be unpaid.) Though, gap between ideal and reality is certainly a one of issues out there, but financial and time issues have a lot of impact to th…

This is the real issue, and it's where we're headed as well in the west. Unfortunately, we'll probably suffer through this completely avoidable problem because politicians are too beholden to business interests.

Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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I had a conversation with a Japanese American artist a couple of years ago on the general topic of the post-WWII infantilization of Japanese culture. I believe we reached a sort of mild agreement that Japan's collective unconscious is still trying to process the shock of being on the receiving end of a nuclear attack.

Please, can you give some details about this "infantilization"? I can't be the only one who can't think of anything other than Hello Kitty.

Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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> There was one clearly positive indicator in the survey: For the first time, the proportion of women returning to work after having their first child in Japan's once notoriously patriarchal society exceeded 50 percent.

In all seriousness, if the concern is low birthrates, how is the above a "clearly positive indicator"?

Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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> There was one clearly positive indicator in the survey: For the first time, the proportion of women returning to work after having their first child in Japan's once notoriously patriarchal society exceeded 50 percent. In all seriousness, if the concern is low birthrates, how is the above a "clearly positive indicator"?

The concern expressed in this sentence is that of a patriarchal society.

Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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> There was one clearly positive indicator in the survey: For the first time, the proportion of women returning to work after having their first child in Japan's once notoriously patriarchal society exceeded 50 percent. In all seriousness, if the concern is low birthrates, how is the above a "clearly positive indicator"?

Because women can be discouraged of having a children in fear of not being return to work afterward.

Implementations of maternity leaves are not very high in Japan -- this is coming from the work that histrically, they were expected to leave the work force when women are married.

Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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I had a conversation with a Japanese American artist a couple of years ago on the general topic of the post-WWII infantilization of Japanese culture. I believe we reached a sort of mild agreement that Japan's collective unconscious is still trying to process the shock of being on the receiving end of a nuclear attack.

Please, can you give some details about this "infantilization"? I can't be the only one who can't think of anything other than Hello Kitty.

Nuclear bombs and then Hello Kitty? This thread is about as up to date as my grandparents.

Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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post #12

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I suspect it isn't about the kids. Or even sex. I suspect it is about old people. The period of one's life during which one must take care of elderly parents and grandparents is growing. Many people of marrying age are in families with several elderly people to care for. They aren't free to move out and start their own households. If I am correct, the answer isn't more child care but more government-backed elder care…

> They aren't free to move out and start their own households Why is that a problem? You don't need to live separately from your parents or grandparents in order to get married. Multi-generational households were the norm until very recently. Also, given that the elderly are much healthier now than in the past, they may not need as much care.

If you are already a virgin, don't you think it might be a difficult road to get to being a parent when your elderly parents are living with you in a tiny cramped house?

Re: Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

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Having relationship in Japan can be tough when a lot of people are under non-permanent employment which they would get paid less and is unstable. Even if one's lucky enough to have a stable job, there is a problem of practically mandatory overtime (which, incidentally, can be unpaid.) Though, gap between ideal and reality is certainly a one of issues out there, but financial and time issues have a lot of impact to th…

This is the real issue, and it's where we're headed as well in the west. Unfortunately, we'll probably suffer through this completely avoidable problem because politicians are too beholden to business interests.

Their government trying to correct it but doing completely wrong. For instance, for overtime issues, they are trying to cut long hours but if they are already unpaid (and thus, untracked) it just won't work, rather it promotes even more of untracked unpaid overtime rather than eliminating unnecessary overtime.

What they need is real teeth against law breaking buinesses.

Some of Western countries have same problem as well, but Japan's cause for overtime can be tough one as it often carries mentality of management that is heavily process orientated.

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