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Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by threeseed » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:55 AM UTC

Kenji wrote: post #7

If you read all the allegations that his 'victims' brought up, you see that while Assange isn't exactly a gentleman, nothing really bad took place. If Assange wasn't politically active in the way he is, he would get a slap on the wrist and move on with his life. It's pretty terrifying how you have to worry that your own country extradites you to America and this ruins your life even overseas. EDIT: Before you reply a…

This is really not appropriate. There are allegations of forced rape and sexual assault and we shouldn't be trivialising them. If Assange was just an ordinary guy and these allegations were true it absolutely wouldn't be just a slap on the wrist.

Based on Sweden's chequered history with renditions I don't blame Assange for being reluctant to face the charges. But that doesn't mean he did or didn't do anything wrong.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by rightnow » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:55 AM UTC

wallace_f wrote: post #6

This is not the first time Sweden has violated human dignity for the sake of helping out the US. One example: https://www.hrw.org/news/2006/11/09/sweden-violated-torture-...

What about the dignity of the two girls? They're not worth anything?

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by chmars » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:55 AM UTC

willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

Not guilty until proven?

And the stay at the embassy is for political reasons – and like a prison sentence (in a civilized country where prison sentences are about the loss of freedom and not the loss of living as a human being).

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by kalleboo » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:56 AM UTC

berntb wrote: post #9

You need a bit more information to see the really funny part. There is presently a scandal in Sweden regarding how bad the Swedish police and the courts work. The justice system write off cases easily. In many parts of the country, after office hours there are hours of travel for the closest police (if they happen to be free). Recently it was found that the police doesn't just have the lowest solving percentage in hi…

> But in this case of Assange, the justice system work hard; it seems they'd follow Assange to the gates of Hell...

If they'd follow Assange to the gates of Hell, they've just fly to the embassy and interview him there

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:56 AM UTC

Kenji wrote: post #7

If you read all the allegations that his 'victims' brought up, you see that while Assange isn't exactly a gentleman, nothing really bad took place. If Assange wasn't politically active in the way he is, he would get a slap on the wrist and move on with his life. It's pretty terrifying how you have to worry that your own country extradites you to America and this ruins your life even overseas. EDIT: Before you reply a…

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Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by ent » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:57 AM UTC

willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

No. Anyone can be accused of rape, accusations should not matter.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by dummkopf99 » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:57 AM UTC

So you believe the rape accusations are valid? If you think that it is not politically motivated or that Sweden will not hand him over to the US as soon as they get him, you must be incredibly naive.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by rightnow » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:57 AM UTC

kalleboo wrote: post #10

Kenji wrote: post #7

If you read all the allegations that his 'victims' brought up, you see that while Assange isn't exactly a gentleman, nothing really bad took place. If Assange wasn't politically active in the way he is, he would get a slap on the wrist and move on with his life. It's pretty terrifying how you have to worry that your own country extradites you to America and this ruins your life even overseas. EDIT: Before you reply a…

Having unprotected sex with someone who is asleep and previously rejected unprotected sex is "nothing really bad"? Or did I miss some newer testimony?

With two as far as i can remember.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by jahnu » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 11:00 AM UTC

chmars wrote: post #13

willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

Not guilty until proven? And the stay at the embassy is for political reasons – and like a prison sentence (in a civilized country where prison sentences are about the loss of freedom and not the loss of living as a human being).

Definitely not guilty until proven but at the same time we have a duty to respect the legal process unless there is something truly amiss. So far I remain unconvinced by the arguments that he's fleeing persecution.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by willvarfar » Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 11:00 AM UTC

ent wrote: post #16

willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

No. Anyone can be accused of rape, accusations should not matter.

Accusations should be investigated by the justice system, not dismissed just because the person is famous.

They should face those accusations by being interviewed by the persecutor, and if the prosecutor believes there is a case to answer, they should face those accusations in court.