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Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by sandworm101 »

>>> "But this rape joke was the final straw: The next day, Danielle escalated her complaint about the offense to the very top: Apple CEO Tim Cook."

That isn't the route. In such a large organization, even a very very good and proper one, such issues are not to be accelerated to the CEO. If you have thousands, tens of thousands of employees, then complaints like this will and should be a daily issue (not always a rape joke, but similarly serious complaints). That's why you have HR and legal departments.

And the next day? Workplace complaints take days or weeks to evaluate. Do not ever expect answers on the order of a day. In a really horrific situation you can ask your immediate supervisors for help, such as by transferring the alleged offenders elsewhere temporary, but do not ever expect heads to roll by next business day. The more serious the complaint, the more time one must expect before action is taken.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by exBarrelSpoiler »

jsmith0295 wrote: post #4

"The running joke is Foxconn has nothing on Apple." Because joking about modern day slavery is so much better! Especially when they're your slaves.

You'd be surprised what people are willing to put up with, even when they're not literal slaves. Ben Farrell was just the tip of the iceberg. AAPL is just AMZN with better press and intra-organizational warfare that puts Ballmer-era MSFT to shame.

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Post by exBarrelSpoiler »

sandworm101 wrote: post #11

>>> "But this rape joke was the final straw: The next day, Danielle escalated her complaint about the offense to the very top: Apple CEO Tim Cook." That isn't the route. In such a large organization, even a very very good and proper one, such issues are not to be accelerated to the CEO. If you have thousands, tens of thousands of employees, then complaints like this will and should be a daily issue (not always a rape…

Maybe, but Apple CEOs have always given out their email addresses since the days of Steve. What is it for, if not for greater accountability?

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by exBarrelSpoiler »

chillacy wrote: post #7

This stuff happens at almost every tech company. Seems like they're focusing on Apple to draw pageviews.

Apple's secrecy and critical darling hides a lot. There's a reason why Tony Fadell's Nest was so toxic when it was incorporated into Google.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by huckyaus »

chillacy wrote: post #7

This stuff happens at almost every tech company. Seems like they're focusing on Apple to draw pageviews.

Can you really blame them? The article is a net positive for the industry, and Mic has covered sexism issues at plenty of companies less prestigious than Apple.

In any case, I feel that there's little to be gained by questioning their intentions.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by jsmith0295 »

zepto wrote: post #10

Seems very likely to be true, since it is part of the wider culture.

I highly doubt people are frequently being promoted on the basis of gender at Apple. Whoever was quoted as saying they were didn't really provide any evidence other than people being selected directly for the job without it being opened for applications were men, and then used a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound more dramatic than that.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by ones_and_zeros »

sandworm101 wrote: post #11

>>> "But this rape joke was the final straw: The next day, Danielle escalated her complaint about the offense to the very top: Apple CEO Tim Cook." That isn't the route. In such a large organization, even a very very good and proper one, such issues are not to be accelerated to the CEO. If you have thousands, tens of thousands of employees, then complaints like this will and should be a daily issue (not always a rape…

What? If you have a grievance HR or legal is the last place you should turn to as an employee. No matter what your position is it basically starts the process of getting yourself fired.

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Post by poopsintub »

redorb wrote: post #13

Telling someone to smile feels closer to trying to cheer them up than any harassment.

I don't feel like most of that is substantial enough either. Passed up for a promotion is likely when the company is mostly men. Reporting bad jokes, nagging, and "smile" would result in hr pinning you as a problem employee even if they crossed the line, which the rape one obviously did. No one is going to tell you an employee was reprimanded, either way. Going to hr not to mention the Ceo seems more than a bit ticky tacky and outrageous. You're going to quit over this? There has to be more to the story At what level of education and employment do you quit and ride a bycicle? Too many questions about an article way, way too vague.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by jsmith0295 »

redorb wrote: post #13

Telling someone to smile feels closer to trying to cheer them up than any harassment.

Or just something someone would say to someone in a hallway just to say something. People have said things like that to me plenty of times before, and I'm assuming it probably wasn't because they mistook me for a woman.
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