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Amazon is piloting teams with a 30-hour workweek

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And my team at Amazon almost every day has only 4/5 engineers at the office because one is taking it easy working from home. Sometimes people take hour lunches and leave after 7 hours. Sometimes they want to finish something and stay later.

In which way is "working from home" "taking it easy"?

When you're running errands, fixing your car, and working on changes when you can.

Re: Amazon is piloting teams with a 30-hour workweek

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I think what they really mean is "30-hour workweek while being physically present in the office". I would find it difficult to believe that employees wouldn't continue working from home under pressure from management or simply because of tight timelines.

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The folks I know at Amazon may have been in the office for a normal amount of time, but they worked long night after long night from home. If they're approaching a 30 hour work week as a reduction from 40, it's bound to fail. They have to realize it would be q reduction from 60 or 80

I agree. First, this is a team made up of part-time workers, not full-time workers, which is not what I was expecting by reading the title. So working 30 hours a week is really really not that special, consider they are PART TIME. Regardless, there are weeks people will have to pull extra hours to complete work, such as during product launch week. If this were a program made up of full-time employees, I would be inte…

It is special in that you have proportional salary and full benefits. Many part time jobs have substantially reduced pay and benefits, unlike this.

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3/4 pay for 3/4 butt in seat time. Seems like Amazon is getting a great deal here!

Hard to say without doing the experiment.

On the one hand, you get more people thinking about the problem for the same amount of money. (And most people do sometimes think about work problems off the clock.)

On the other hand, more people means more coordination, communication, and disagreements. There's a reason people like small teams.

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In which way is "working from home" "taking it easy"?

When you're running errands, fixing your car, and working on changes when you can.

Work-life balance?

As well-educated adults it makes me cringe how we constrict ourselves mentally to being productive employees only in a specific geographical location.

When working in companies with a global reach, the workday has 24 hours.

Re: Amazon is piloting teams with a 30-hour workweek

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The folks I know at Amazon may have been in the office for a normal amount of time, but they worked long night after long night from home. If they're approaching a 30 hour work week as a reduction from 40, it's bound to fail. They have to realize it would be q reduction from 60 or 80

I agree. First, this is a team made up of part-time workers, not full-time workers, which is not what I was expecting by reading the title. So working 30 hours a week is really really not that special, consider they are PART TIME. Regardless, there are weeks people will have to pull extra hours to complete work, such as during product launch week. If this were a program made up of full-time employees, I would be inte…

It's special in that currently getting non-full-time work as a software engineer is pretty tricky (you can often arrange to drop down to part time at your existing company, but getting a job at a new company on non-full-time hours is much harder). So if it catches on and the opportunities for part-time workers become more numerous that's great for people (including me) who don't or can't work full time.

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I think what they really mean is "30-hour workweek while being physically present in the office". I would find it difficult to believe that employees wouldn't continue working from home under pressure from management or simply because of tight timelines.

Precisely.

Amazon is a sweatshop. The expectation is salaried employees put in ungodly hours.

All this is doing is giving people more freedom to burn themselves out at home, while further blurring the lines between work and life and throwing in a 25% pay cut as the cherry on top.

It's like the opposite of Google campus life, but with the same goal.

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So while this is really good for people that have dependents at home, or other consistently demanding activities. I would not enjoy such an arrangement.

The arrangement I'd be most excited by is a team with forced three month sabbaticals yearly (or honestly even 6 month sabbaticals). Of-course with the normal amount of vacation time added as well.

The way it would work is: Say a team is supposed to have 8 people. Hire 25% more people and schedule sabbaticals such that there is always ~8 people working. Additionally, you could ensure that there is never a time where two developers go more than 2 months without working together.

Benefits: Increases the supply in the job market; Reduces income disparity; Improves employee work-life balance.

Re: Amazon is piloting teams with a 30-hour workweek

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I think what they really mean is "30-hour workweek while being physically present in the office". I would find it difficult to believe that employees wouldn't continue working from home under pressure from management or simply because of tight timelines.

Precisely. Amazon is a sweatshop. The expectation is salaried employees put in ungodly hours. All this is doing is giving people more freedom to burn themselves out at home, while further blurring the lines between work and life and throwing in a 25% pay cut as the cherry on top. It's like the opposite of Google campus life, but with the same goal.

I hope most places arent
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