Demonstrations of Attacks Against Implanted Cardiac Devices [pdf]
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#13This is more about stock price manipulation than it is about implantable medical device security. Having worked in the medical device industry for over a decade, I know first-hand how bad the security situation is on the vast majority of devices. It's by no means unique to St. Jude. The fact that these issues exist is also old news, as noted in the Bloomberg article linked by jevinskie. In addition to new devices con…
I remember talking through the whole process with some of the engineers deepest into it and thinking "holy crap this is bad." It then scared me more, because I'm only 6 months out of university, what the heck should I know? But this crap passed FDA approval and had a team of very expensive people working on it.
I left that place after less than a year when I realized the only people I was working with had been in the industry for 20+ years, were pretty much doing the same thing they'd been doing for two decades, and more importantly, were absolutely resistant to doing anything differently. I think that's one of the biggest problems with medical devices- hardware/low level engineers are generally older and not used to preventing the types of threats that you'd be used to preventing if you spent most of your time building software thats on an open network. They're not put in an environment that really rewards adopting new technologies or practices, the development cycle is incredibly long because of the approval processes, which means that whatever you get to market is 3-5 years old at best, and they're constrained by hardware limitations (for cost, battery life, and form factor) as well. For many reasons, and a lot of them very good (people's lives depend on this stuff, after all), you will always be working with hardware and software tooling at least 5-10 years old. A lot of their products were just iterations off a previous generation for better battery life, smaller form factor, etc. and most of the codebase was from when I was in elementary school.
I worked with a lot of incredibly smart people that on their worst day could do things with hardware that I'll never be able to do, but at the same time they couldn't implement a secure communication protocol if it meant THEIR life depended on it. Someone like myself that comes in bright eyed and full of wonder is either going to lose their light or move on because there's just no way to do anything truly novel in that space if you're working for one of the well established companies. Don't get me wrong, when it comes to medical devices, chasing new and shiny is no way to go. But a lack of version control, a horrible QA test rig/system, and basically no diligence around a repeatable process are not chasing new and shiny.
Re: Demonstrations of Attacks Against Implanted Cardiac Devices [pdf]
#14My company (W17 hopeful) is working to help med device vendors ensure basic crypto and security practices. I agree with @teuobk below; these problems are not unique to St. Jude. BTW we're hiring. If you're reading this comment thread, you're probably a great potential team member. Email in profile.
I'm only half joking, but can I join to convince the med device vendors who you're helping to make implantable devices that have so little connectivity to not need any crypto?
The problem with most of these devices is that if you can get them to ACK, you can pretty much get them to do whatever you want and the instruction set isn't all that complicated once you've grabbed some data streaming through the air for a little bit.
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#15None of this is new, and yet as far as anyone knows no one has ever yet met at the intersection of hacking and murder.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
And why do you think we'd know?
For the same reason that we end up hearing about virtually everything, eventually; people really stink at keeping secrets.
If we find out about clandestine activities (by governments or by private citizens), it is often decades later. Given that the capabilities have existed and been widely discussed for some time, it doesn't seem any more speculative to assert that there have probably been assassinations as that there haven't been. Radio connections don't leave behind much evidence.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
For the same reason that we end up hearing about virtually everything, eventually; people really stink at keeping secrets.
This is the ultimate sample bias. Organizations are perfectly capable of keeping secrets, even if they are composed of individuals evolved to communicate the truth. We don't know how much we'll never know. If we find out about clandestine activities (by governments or by private citizens), it is often decades later. Given that the capabilities have existed and been widely discussed for some time, it doesn't seem any…