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Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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This reminds me of how forgetful we are as a species. The stuff in this article was figured out thousands of years ago and now is being presented almost as if it's something new. It also reminds me that for all of our technological prowess, we still haven't mastered the no-tech fundamentals of dealing with life as human beings.

“Sooner or later, everything old is new again.” --S.King

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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post #11
post #8

This reminds me of how forgetful we are as a species. The stuff in this article was figured out thousands of years ago and now is being presented almost as if it's something new. It also reminds me that for all of our technological prowess, we still haven't mastered the no-tech fundamentals of dealing with life as human beings.

“Sooner or later, everything old is new again.” --S.King

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. -- Ecclesiastes 1:9

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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post #8

This reminds me of how forgetful we are as a species. The stuff in this article was figured out thousands of years ago and now is being presented almost as if it's something new. It also reminds me that for all of our technological prowess, we still haven't mastered the no-tech fundamentals of dealing with life as human beings.

Sometimes those who are most in need of this wisdom are least willing to accept it in its traditional forms.

Presenting mindfulness in a form that can reach the people who are not easily moved by the older forms of "evangelism" (e.g. monks living in poverty in a monastery, doing good works in their community) seems to me like a highly worthwhile pursuit.

[EDIT] ... yes, even if the concealed motive is to sell copies of yet another book about mindfulness.

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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I have met people who not only police everyone's behavior and speech for minor deviations from political correctness, but are constantly worried about how their thoughts are not meeting their own high standards. There is a difference between saying things in a public forum and thinking them when you see something crazy on the street. I just think living that way would be totally exhausting and remove a lot of fun from life. This is another reason why activists decry "old boys' clubs" or cliques that form at school and work. Some people just want to hang out with people where saying an off color joke doesn't ruin your fucking life.

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Sooner or later, everything old is new again.” --S.King

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. -- Ecclesiastes 1:9

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. -- The Byrds.

FTFY

/not actually serious

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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post #14

I have met people who not only police everyone's behavior and speech for minor deviations from political correctness, but are constantly worried about how their thoughts are not meeting their own high standards. There is a difference between saying things in a public forum and thinking them when you see something crazy on the street. I just think living that way would be totally exhausting and remove a lot of fun fro…

They're no different than the nun in Game of Thrones saying "Shame!" and ringing the bell.

Human archetypes don't change, but they do put on different clothes over time.

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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post #14

I have met people who not only police everyone's behavior and speech for minor deviations from political correctness, but are constantly worried about how their thoughts are not meeting their own high standards. There is a difference between saying things in a public forum and thinking them when you see something crazy on the street. I just think living that way would be totally exhausting and remove a lot of fun fro…

Biases, prejudices and so on are subtle and take a while to unlearn. If you want to get rid of them, you essentially have to interrogate your own thoughts, for better or worse. If you're not conscious of a bias, you can't get rid of it.

It doesn't suck the fun out of life.

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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Completely removing religion and pc correctness and cultural obligations from my life fairly early on resulted in a very light weight approach to life and the removal of inner chatter bullshit. Do what makes sense to you to get the best result in the purpose of life you have chosen. Basic morality has already been ingrained in us through evolution and is quite adequate by itself. Why we then we must slap words on it to allow it to be spread through the consciousness of people like a bad virus is beyond me. It just causes cognitive dissonance as everyone is not the same in their pursuit of happiness.

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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post #8

This reminds me of how forgetful we are as a species. The stuff in this article was figured out thousands of years ago and now is being presented almost as if it's something new. It also reminds me that for all of our technological prowess, we still haven't mastered the no-tech fundamentals of dealing with life as human beings.

Maybe someday our ML will be good enough (and alas, it is not currently) that a "fuzzy trope search engine" could be built. Enter a description of a situation, set of relationships, or condition, and up pops references to historical tropes that match and are related. Then I can short-circuit old ideas being pitched to me repackaged in new clothing passing off as genuinely new ideas, and send the pitcher the link.

The title of this post would perhaps pull up "Thoughtcrime" and other related tropes (religious heresy among them probably, wonder how far back this particular trope goes in recorded human history).

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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Completely removing religion and pc correctness and cultural obligations from my life fairly early on resulted in a very light weight approach to life and the removal of inner chatter bullshit. Do what makes sense to you to get the best result in the purpose of life you have chosen. Basic morality has already been ingrained in us through evolution and is quite adequate by itself. Why we then we must slap words on it…

> Basic morality has already been ingrained in us through evolution and is quite adequate by itself.

How exactly did you arrive at that conclusion?

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