Human Rights Declaration:
"Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person."
...and Health Care is how one stays alive, therefore health care should be a right.
Health Care Is a Business, Not a Right
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#12Despite any implementation problems, I don't believe that someone should have a worse chance of keeping their life in the face of disease just because they are not as wealthy. That alone means that society is considering some people's lives more important than others, which is not a society that I would like to live in.
It's incredibly difficult to rectify free will with every person is equally valuable. The correlation of that is all behavior is equally virtuous, be it reading, getting high, or punting babies off bridges.
I would settle for a communally accepted floor we don't let people fall below.
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#13The article does raise an interesting point in that most people don't necessarily see food as an inalienable right that people shouldn't need to pay for. But to counter that point our government has set up a system of farm subsidies and management to ensure affordable food is available to pretty much anyone... and even those who don't have the money get food stamps. Seems like the government tries to do the same thin…
I thought that was an interesting point as well. I'm having trouble coming up w/ full argument but one point is that there's huge differences btwn food and healthcare.
When you only have $20 to spend on food for the week, you don't need to go to the government for help. You can cook and eat rice and beans all week. That's what I did in college.
The difference w/ healthcare is there's no rice and beans of cancer treatment or ER visits. People aren't regularly given a decision between death and going to a fancy restaurant.
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#14Despite any implementation problems, I don't believe that someone should have a worse chance of keeping their life in the face of disease just because they are not as wealthy. That alone means that society is considering some people's lives more important than others, which is not a society that I would like to live in.
But life isn't fair. We didn't create this problem, it just is. What we can do is work on solutions. So what are those solutions? You can't bury your head in the sand and pretend that the worlds resources aren't finite.
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#15Human Rights Declaration: "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person." ...and Health Care is how one stays alive, therefore health care should be a right.
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#16"People need a lot of things. You’ll die without food long before you’ll die without health care, and yet few people say we need to “take the profit motive out of farming”." "Why is health care Special" I tell you why healthcare is special. You cannot buy healthcare at the cost of food. I can buy ramen noodles and survive for cheap. Sure it is not the best but I won't frikin die. But If I get cancer and cannot afford…
> You cannot buy healthcare at the cost of food.
The two industries aren't even remotely close to be able to make a comparison like that. Why not let healthcare operate as a free(er) market?
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#18Despite any implementation problems, I don't believe that someone should have a worse chance of keeping their life in the face of disease just because they are not as wealthy. That alone means that society is considering some people's lives more important than others, which is not a society that I would like to live in.
>That alone means that society is considering some people's lives more important than others No it doesn't. Healthcare does not happen through some fictitious consensus of "society". It happens through individuals interacting one with one another and forming a natural order. To claim that healthcare is a "right" ultimately means healthcare providers are slaves.
The kind of slave that earn top 5% income you mean ?
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#19"People need a lot of things. You’ll die without food long before you’ll die without health care, and yet few people say we need to “take the profit motive out of farming”."
I'll say this too when I get a $65,000 bill at the grocery store.
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#20But it's not a business, not in its current implementation. Right now it's a implicit government protected monopoly for lots and lots of things. Case in point: EpiPens which are in the news today. When the government makes it hard to develop alternatives but doesn't pay for the monopoly it creates, it's neither a business nor a right. It's a disaster yet that's where we find ourselves today. http://www.nytimes.com/20…
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