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Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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So use an ad blocker. Your profile says you are a "former VP of data @ Kickstarter", I'm sure you know what an ad blocker is, what's your excuse?

Just because he knows doesn't mean he should ignore what's rotten and let it pass.

Also your comment probably qualifies for flagging since you use personal details to attack someone.

Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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post #7

This is why gmail has a big fat "REPORT SPAM" button. Shenanigans like this are SPAM, and should be reported accordingly.

Learning to stop worrying about messing up people's ability to deliver email and just liberally hammer the "REPORT SPAM" button for any email I didn't want to see anymore improved my email experience substantially. So much faster than messing with filters.

I also tell Twitter that every ad they show me is offensive. Because they are.

Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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post #2

This is the reason I keep "Block third-party cookies and site data" option checked in Chrome.

I'm a big fan of "self-destructing cookies" for firefox. It automatically clears your cookie cache when you leave websites, unless you add exceptions.

Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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post #7

This is why gmail has a big fat "REPORT SPAM" button. Shenanigans like this are SPAM, and should be reported accordingly.

The email is just a symptom of the actual problem - tracking. Rather than hit the report spam button, I'd recommend installing a browser add-on that limits tracking.

Reporting it as spam impacts their entire operation. Disabling tracking only helps yourself.

Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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> This transaction breaks a core promise using the internet: just because I visit a website doesn’t mean I consent to getting spam from it.

No it doesn't. There is no core privacy premise of the internet, and certainly not one that everybody used it signed up for.

I'm not condoning this behavior, but we're in territory that we don't have prior art for. It used to be totally fine for one shopkeeper to mention to another that he saw a customer looking for a particular item. When you do it at scale, the old rules don't apply.

If you think it's spam, hit the spam button in gmail and get rid of it. Use an adblocker. Talk to your congressman about data privacy and sharing laws, because we don't have anything that's effective. Frankly, continue to write Medium posts, because it raises awareness :) But, I disagree with the notion that this is a solved problem with bad actors, because we're in unknown waters.

Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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post #5

I've had several companies ("data partners" they call themselves) approach us to add these scripts to our websites. All of the ones I've seen use MD5(email) for the "anonymous hashing". I mentioned our privacy policy doesn't allow us to give out user emails, and their marketing guys never seem to understand that MD5(email) is basically the same thing. I even made a video example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViCjzJ…

Upton Sinclair once said “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Gold.

Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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I wrote myself a web application called Tamarind that runs on my web server for managing throwaway mail aliases.

"Tamarind" == "Throw-Away Mail Alias Randomization Is Not Defeatable"

:)

http://www.kylheku.com/cgit/tamarind/tree/README

I log in with my IMAP4 user name and password, and then get a simple UI with a table of my aliases, and attached memo strings (which can contain URL's that get converted to links). I can edit these, change their order (select multiple, move to top or bottom, etc) create new ones and delete. When I create an alias, it goes "live" instantly, and when I delete one, it goes dead. Dead means that the address is "unroutable" at the SMTP level; it bounces.

I keep a few aliases from Tamarind in my wallet, in case I have to hand out an e-mail address in "3D life" to some untrustworthy outfit to be eligible for some promo or whatever.

Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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post #3

I'm not going to wait for legislation to fix problems I can fix myself. You don't want this to happen? Make sure you have ad-blocking and third party tracker blocking on. I go a step further and use 'Quick JS Switcher' for chrome. By default JS is off and I only turn it on for sites I want. The percentage of sites that I turn it on for is minuscule. I'm seriously starting to question why this isn't the default setup…

Surely you must use some SaaS?

Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The email is just a symptom of the actual problem - tracking. Rather than hit the report spam button, I'd recommend installing a browser add-on that limits tracking.

Reporting it as spam impacts their entire operation. Disabling tracking only helps yourself.

You're right. People should do both.

Re: Browsing your website does not mean I want your spam

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The email is just a symptom of the actual problem - tracking. Rather than hit the report spam button, I'd recommend installing a browser add-on that limits tracking.

Reporting it as spam impacts their entire operation. Disabling tracking only helps yourself.

But does it? No matter how many times I click "Report Spam" Google is not going to wholesale block LinkedIn's E-mail operation. At least those E-mails will start showing up in my own spam folder, but that's hardly affecting "their entire operation".
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